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<H1>[Mageia-dev] please stop doing "bugs" for updating magia 1</H1>
<B>Buchan Milne</B>
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<I>Thu Jan 12 09:48:40 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:10:01 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
><i> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote:
</I>><i> > Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt that
</I>><i> > bugs appear, just see our bugzilla.
</I>><i> > We trust upstream ( most of them ), and yet there is bugs.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> No, they're not totally unrelated when we don't have the man power to
</I>><i> do through QA on every package, we need to trust on the packager (and
</I>><i> upstream of course) that he did his best to test the new version
</I>><i> without expecting him to have tested all the new features, Or do you
</I>><i> expect that a QA member get a list of all the new features of a
</I>><i> backport and start testing them one by one ? that's what I call
</I>><i> unrealistic in practice.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> If you think that all version backports should be tested in the same
</I>><i> >> way as updates by QA, then all versions upgrades in cauldron should be
</I>><i> >> tested by QA before pushing them to the BS right ?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > No, they should be tested before being put in the stable release. And
</I>><i> > that's exactly what we do by freezing and testing before release.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Of course but again, we can't test *all* the new features of *all* the
</I>><i> programs that are going to a new release, we do our best for most of
</I>><i> them. Critical components like installer, kernel, drak* tools, etc
</I>><i> need more testing and that's where (our very small team) QA should
</I>><i> spend their time after a freeze. The rest we have to do our best to
</I>><i> test after each version update of a package.
</I>
And this is IMHO why we should not necessarily enforce full QA on backports.
It is ridiculous to enforce more testing on a package in backports, than most
likely was done for it while in cauldron before a release, especially
considering the user has a relatively easy mechanism for reverting to the
working package.
If QA can state definitively that every package in a release is fully tested,
then I might agree.
But, some of the reason to *have* backports is to allow users on stable
releases to test new versions that exist in cauldron.
Regards,
Buchan
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