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<H1>[Mageia-dev] About dm</H1>
<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<PRE>2012/2/18 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>>:
><i> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 03:50:45PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
</I>>><i> The Gnome base is more than gnome-shell but less than Gnome in total.
</I>>><i> Example: Gnome config editor belongs to the basic Gnome, eog is a
</I>>><i> Gnome application. Same with KDE: kdm and the setup configuration are
</I>>><i> related to the environment, kmail is a KDE application.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> GNOME is not the same as KDE.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Eye of GNOME is part of GNOME Core (things which should be installed
</I>><i> together):
</I>><i>  <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.3/3.3.5/sources/">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.3/3.3.5/sources/</A>
</I>><i> As it is part of Core, anything in GNOME is ok to assume that it is
</I>><i> installed.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> There is a separate "apps" section listed at:
</I>><i>  <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.3/3.3.5/sources/">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.3/3.3.5/sources/</A>
</I>><i> These consist of applications which closely follow GNOME. Meaning:
</I>><i> they're QA tested, etc.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Aside from the "apps" section, there are loads of other modules.
</I>><i> Everything in total is at:
</I>><i>  <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/</A>
</I>><i> You see e.g. xchat-gnome. Something in /sources/, but not in "Core", nor
</I>><i> in "Apps". It doesn't follow the GNOME release schedule, translation
</I>><i> freezes, etc.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Regarding eog:
</I>><i> Anything wanting to call eog within GNOME should of course use
</I>><i> freedesktop.org specifications. So if you've installed something other
</I>><i> than eog, it should still work. Still, from upstream POV it is a
</I>><i> distribution bug if there wasn't any image viewer installed.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> In practice, not installing everything by default should be more or less
</I>><i> ok. But that's not how things are released or assumed to be. It it just
</I>><i> by using freedesktop.org specifications that things still work.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> But things still working doesn't mean that eog is not assumed to be
</I>><i> installed.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Anyway, I'm ok with discussing after Mageia 2 as suggested in another
</I>><i> email. I have no idea if "Core" + dependencies would fit on a cd anyway
</I>><i> (don't believe it would) + I can mention on
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/">http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/</A> that Mageia 2 users should install
</I>><i> "task-gnome" to get the full experience.
</I>
I see your point and understand upstream POV of Gnome. The other POV
is the user's POV who wants a "minimal" installation with Gnome as the
basis but with a few applications only. IMHO this is what a
"task-foo-minimal" is made for. So after this task-foo-minimal I have
to install only :
- web browser (for mail, www, downloads),
- mc (filemanager),
- vim (editor),
- vlc (music, video),
- mcc (including the draktools). Done.
(just an example of what I would do for my netbook, others may want
another set of applications).
Going by the upstream POV we don't need a task-gnome-minimal at all,
you can safely remove it.
--
wobo
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