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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: ruby-ParseTree</H1>
<B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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<I>Mon Dec 10 15:35:28 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>On 10 December 2012 15:27, nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> wrote:
>><i> I totally agree with Johnny here. If users want to keep unmaintained and
</I>>><i> no-longer-supplied packages on their machine (obviously making a
</I>>><i> concious decision to not get security updates etc. on such packages)
</I>>><i> then they are welcome to add task-obsolete to their urpmi skip lists.
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</I>>><i> I see absolutely no problem with this and I don't consider this
</I>>><i> something that's done as a "side effect", rather it's a quite deliberate
</I>>><i> and concious mechanism to remove no longer supported packages from a
</I>>><i> users machine.
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</I>><i> One of the problem with task-obsolete obsoleting packages is that it can
</I>><i> silently uninstall packages and break something which was working,
</I>><i> without warning.
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</I>><i> Maybe instead of obsoleting packages, task-obsolete could conflict with
</I>><i> those packages :
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That won't work, if it's a conflicts instead of an obsoletes,
urpmi/drakx/rpmdrake
will _never_ pick it.
That's just not the way it works.
><i> - users who want to remove unsupported packages install task-obsolete,
</I>><i> and have a warning from rpmdrake/urpmi before conflicting packages
</I>><i> are removed
</I>
Meaning nobody will install it in practice.
Meaning people will have some unsecure packages b/c 0.001% want
to keep an unsecure/unmaintained stuff, meaning we'll got bug reports
about packages we don't maintain anymore.
><i> - users who don't want to remove unsupported packages don't install
</I>><i> task-obsolete. They can still ask urpmi to install task-obsolete to
</I>><i> see the list of packages it would remove.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Or we can stop using task-obsolete package, and instead create a file
</I>><i> "unsupported" in media_info directory on the mirrors containing a list
</I>><i> of unsupported packages, and used by urpmq/urpme --unsupported to
</I>><i> list/remove unsupported packages.
</I>
That would mean most people will never see it where 0.0001% of users
would want them not to be installed.
My 2 cents
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