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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Improving communications</H1>
<B>Marja van Waes</B>
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<I>Sun Dec 2 10:34:18 CET 2012</I>
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On 02/12/12 07:10, Joseph Wang wrote:
><i> I have a few suggestions for improving packaging communications
</I>><i>
</I>><i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pending_packages">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pending_packages</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> where I'll keep updated the status of my packaging, and I'll try
</I>><i> to forward notices from the mailing list. Having something on the
</I>><i> wiki makes things a bit more organized. I've changed the links a
</I>><i> bit so to tell people to look on that page first for important
</I>><i> notices.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> * Mageia-mentors mailing list or backup mentors
</I>><i>
</I>><i> It would be good if there was a mageia-mentors mailing list in
</I>><i> which private e-mail to and from the mentors could be cc'ed to so
</I>><i> that all of the mentors would have an overview of what
</I>><i> conversations would happen and there would be a "backup" in case a
</I>><i> mentor goes offline. Alternatively, people could get in a the habit
</I>><i> of having a backup mentor cc'ed that can respond if something comes
</I>><i> up.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> It would also be good to change the instruction page with
</I>><i> something instructions like "if you don't hear back from X in three
</I>><i> days, then do Y"
</I>><i>
</I>><i> What happened with me was that I had been packaging a large number
</I>><i> of packages and coordinating things offline with my mentor. I
</I>><i> mentioned that I was packaging cinnamon and then when I was done
</I>><i> (and it was just a minor project), I mentioned that I was done. I
</I>><i> didn't hear back, but that's happened before, and that's not a
</I>><i> problem. The problem was that when I looked on the dev list for
</I>><i> something unrelated, I found out that the cinnamon packages had
</I>><i> been bounced. That wasn't a problem since they had been bounced for
</I>><i> very good technical reasons, which I've been fixing.
</I>><i> Unfortunately, I was reading the e-mail out of context so it looked
</I>><i> to me like some tiny cabal had bounced all my packages for no
</I>><i> reason at all, and so I went ballistic. The most annoying problem
</I>><i> is that no one mentioned it me that there was a technical issue
</I>><i> with cinnamon.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Part of the issue is since I'm new, I don't know the people, and so
</I>><i> I can't tell based on limited information if people are being
</I>><i> reasonable or not. Automatically assuming that people are being
</I>><i> reasonable won't work, because you'll find a lot of groups on the
</I>><i> internet in which people aren't reasonable (i.e. there is a reason
</I>><i> why people are dumping Gnome3 for Cinnamon) and people don't have
</I>><i> the time and energy to find out what's going on, and there is a lot
</I>><i> of "pseudo-reasonableness" out there. Working with a lot of
</I>><i> volunteer groups has made me a little paranoid when someone seems
</I>><i> nice.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> For people with a CS bent, a lot of issues that you run into with
</I>><i> coordinating people are the same that you run into in coordinating
</I>><i> CPU/GPU's and doing parallel computing. You can map some of the
</I>><i> issues that I've run into into the "two generals problem".
</I>
<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals%27_Problem">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals%27_Problem</A>
(It was new to me ;) )
Thanks, Joseph, for your effort to improve things :)
As documenter, I'm glad with the wiki page.
Also as documenter, I'm wondering whether a mailing list would cause
missing or not completely clear or up-to-date packaging pages in our
wiki to be made or improved faster.
Even if that wouldn't be the case: having packaging questions and
answers in the mailing list archive, seems a good thing to me.
As a very incidental packaging trainee, I think if there isn't a
mailing list and my mentor is, e.g., on holiday without internet
connection, it would be best to go to #mageia-mentoring and ask for
assistance there.
Cheers,
marja
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