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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1>
<B>andre999</B>
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<I>Thu Mar 24 22:41:18 CET 2011</I>
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<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
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</I>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
</I>>>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>):
</I>>>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does
</I>>>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can
</I>>>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free
</I>>><i> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that
</I>>><i> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due
</I>>><i> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed
</I>>><i> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files
</I>>><i> in question fall) is eligible for core).
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A>
</I>>><i> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Ah right, sorry for overlooking this.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move
</I>><i> these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting
</I>><i> to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A>
</I>><i> ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Romain
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fwiw, I think the best solution is to have an express policy to include
such firmware in core.
Without it, much hardware simply won't work. Firmware/drivers are
essentially extensions to hardware, so that software can work with them.
The hardware is changed, and firmware/drivers have to be changed to
accommodate the hardware.
These firmware/drivers provide an interface which allows (free) software
to run.
A practical solution, which doesn't hurt free software.
The alternative is (free) software that doesn't run properly.
my 2 cents :)
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André
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