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   <H1>[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2</H1>
    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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    <I>Mon Sep 19 12:32:55 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>&gt;<i> On 19 September 2011 11:44, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you fixed the war against webcam another way?
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem of webcam mics not working if they are present during
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> boot? If not, can you remember the problem better?
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If so, no I've not fixed, but will find an official way that we can
</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submit upstream.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whoops, it seems this conversation went off list accidentally.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TV clarified that the problem the snd-usb-audio modprobe rule solved was
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that of webcams getting the card0 slot on boot and pushing the normal,
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> built in audio system to card1.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As this problem attempts to resolve the underlying limitations of alsa
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (not preserving the audio device order) in a generic way (specific
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> index= arguments could be added to your own specific hardware to solve
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it also), and considering that device order really shouldn't matter when
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PulseAudio is used (it has it's own built in system for determining the
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;priority&quot; of devices when a first boot with a new user is encountered
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so that the correct defaults will be picked on first boot and there
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after it's the user's choice), I'm not really inclined to attempt to fix
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this &quot;bug&quot;.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If people feel super strongly about it I can look into it, but I think
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's really a matter of &quot;tough love&quot; for the non-PA case if it means we
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to put in lots of crazy work arounds like this.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Opinions welcome.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> Not all people use PA.
</I>&gt;<i> We even have options in draksound in order to disable it...
</I>&gt;<i> Hence we must still support the case were PA isn't around...
</I>
can something be done with udev rules, like it happens with other types of
devices?

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