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   <H1>[Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system</H1>
    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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<PRE>Hi

Currently our minimal system is pretty bloated (unless one install really
minimal system without suggested packages).

For example, installing udev will bring in many GNOME packages.

See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1750">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1750</A>
and <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609</A>

See the following require cycle:
udev -&gt; libglib -&gt; glib2.0-common -&gt; libgio -&gt; libgvfs -&gt; gvfs-&gt;
libgnome-keyring -&gt; gnome-keyring -&gt; lib64(gtk|gnome)*

Why?
Because manual requires are added else some stuff wouldn't work because they
are dlopen()ed instead of being linked to

Note that pixel, fcrozat &amp; me broke those cycles years ago (early 2008). Eg:
- create sub-package libgio2.0_0 which suggests libgvfs0 to break
require/suggest
  link consolekit-&gt;glib-&gt;gvfs-&gt;hal

But as we all know the empire always strikes back.
Eg: now glib2.0-common requires the gio sub-package, which defeats its purpose.
This was broken in &quot;Add Requires(post) for gio modules list generation&quot;:
<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/glib2.0/current/SPECS/glib2.0.spec?r1=499567&amp;r2=499568&amp;">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/glib2.0/current/SPECS/glib2.0.spec?r1=499567&amp;r2=499568&amp;</A>

What's &quot;funny&quot; is that we still carry that whereas  gio-querymodules-*
were then moved to
the gio sub-package and are now called from there...

I've just fixed that, but it would be nice if:
- more people try to minimize minimal system
- packagers watch what they're doing
- some people watch minimal system size (maybe some bot should do that?).

We may need to break further pkg cycles for minimal BS

See you
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