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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)</H1>
<B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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<I>Sat Oct 1 00:05:37 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>Op vrijdag 30 september 2011 23:35:40 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
><i> Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 21:10:42, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
</I>><i> > Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 20:55:43, Florian Hubold a écrit :
</I>><i> > > Am 29.09.2011 14:13, schrieb Olav Vitters:
</I>><i> > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:24:56AM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
</I>><i> > > >> backports_testing, but it means that we would lose the current
</I>><i> > > >> checking that updates come from the 1/updates branch)
</I>><i> > > >
</I>><i> > > > Long term I prefer more checks because I do make mistakes. But maybe
</I>><i> > > > lax as a temporary ("a few weeks") solution until it uses the SQL
</I>><i> > > > database?
</I>><i> > >
</I>><i> > > Well, is it really that necessary for a matter of some weeks to speed
</I>><i> > > up backports opening? Shouldn't we care first that sustainability of
</I>><i> > > Mageia is ensured first?
</I>><i> > >
</I>><i> > > It's not like backports candidates will lessen workload on QA, rather
</I>><i> > > the opposite. That's my personal opinion.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Some genuine user needs can only be covered by backports per our policy,
</I>><i> > I don't see why we should wait more (already 4 months since the release
</I>><i> > of Mageia 1). QA team already said it's ready to test backports, and if
</I>><i> > we have difficulty we simply will find means to get more testers. Also,
</I>><i> > updates will still remain the priority.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Opening backports media does not mean that we will start backporting
</I>><i> > everything. But a policy has been chosen, after a loooooooooong debate,
</I>><i> > and there seems to be a simple way to open those media to package
</I>><i> > submitting.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Also, the sooner we have backports, the less there will be external
</I>><i> > third- party repos with all the problems (upgrade, support) that causes.
</I>><i> > There already are, don't let them too much space and rather invite their
</I>><i> > packagers to backport *inside* (as long as they stay within the policy
</I>><i> > of course).
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > About Mageia's sustainability, we already are working to that (QA team is
</I>><i> > operational, package adoption campaign is undergoing...), and having
</I>><i> > backports media won't prevent us from continuing.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Also, the "few weeks" is a really vague estimation, my guess is it risks
</I>><i> > to be rather months because sysadmins seem to have a big TODO list a
</I>><i> > little resources. That's why I'm proposing 2 "technically simple" ways
</I>><i> > to move forward.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Best regards
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Samuel Verschelde
</I>><i>
</I>><i> If needed, the tremendous amount of packages in Blogdrake's 3rd party media
</I>><i> shows how much backports are needed by users, whatever we as packagers can
</I>><i> think of it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'm still convinced that opening backports right now, using one of my 2
</I>><i> proposals (if I haven't overlooked a technical difficulty), would be an
</I>><i> important step forward for us.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Best regards
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Samuel
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I have to agree, if opening backports brings in more packagers who are likely
to integrate well AND bring in more users AND likely would step up and
maintain similar packages, we should help their effort and not get our
community too splintered, even though updates _is_ more important than
backports.
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