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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .</H1>
<B>Robert Fox</B>
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<I>Mon Nov 28 15:44:58 CET 2011</I>
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<PRE>On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 15:25 +0100, Oliver Burger wrote:
><i> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
</I>><i> > Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
</I>><i> > > I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: "you guys should
</I>><i> > > make my own life easier, because other already do it". That's just
</I>><i> > > plain consumerism.
</I>><i> > Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
</I>><i> > (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
</I>><i> > want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
</I>><i> > and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
</I>><i> > that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
</I>><i> > the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
</I>><i> > just for ourselves, just for the sake of having "our own" linux distro,
</I>><i> > or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
</I>><i> > specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux
</I>><i> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate
</I>><i> providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly
</I>><i> proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
</I>><i> This is a question of usability of the distro.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
</I>><i> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer
</I>><i> and so on.
</I>><i> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how
</I>><i> to install them then provide a lot of those "get-foo" packages.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Although "easy usability" is a good thing, people should remember they are
</I>><i> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
</I>><i> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading
</I>><i> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex
</I>><i> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
</I>><i> "We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software.
</I>><i> Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this
</I>><i> wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that
</I>><i> is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource
</I>><i> alternatives."
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Oliver
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++1
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