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<H1>[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues</H1>
<B>Florian Hubold</B>
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<I>Wed Nov 9 21:40:54 CET 2011</I>
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<PRE>Am 09.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Michael Scherer:
><i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 à 14:14 +0100, Florian Hubold a écrit :
</I>>><i> Hi there,
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
</I>>><i> it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
</I>>><i> from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
</I>>><i> I've found no further explanation about this so far.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,434,177.PN.&OS=PN/7,434,177&RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,434,177.PN.&OS=PN/7,434,177&RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
</I>>><i> IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
</I>>><i> respect it.
</I>><i> The base claim is indeed weak.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
</I>>><i> some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
</I>>><i> To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
</I>>><i> clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
</I>>><i> be moved to tainted. Any objections?
</I>><i> Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
</I>><i> patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
</I>><i> fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
</I>><i> weak,
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same
</I>><i> position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company
</I>><i> with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us
</I>><i> because we are competing with them ).
</I>Wel, i don't understand this. Last time we talked about patents
in the nonfree+tainted discussions, concensus seemed to be that
even if patents don't apply here (europe), we need to respect them.
So do we or don't we?
IIUC you suggest that cairo-dock* stays where it is?
><i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
</I>><i> copyrighted ?
</I>Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said
which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could
be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design.
But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued,
i don't think they have a valid point there.
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