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   <H1>[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion</H1>
    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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    <I>Tue Jun 14 03:30:56 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 01:02:51 schreef Michael Scherer:
&gt;<i> Le lundi 13 juin 2011 &#224; 15:51 +0300, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20:
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; About the cycles:
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; such a fixed statement (which it would be, once published). We need a
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; schedule for each cycle, that's true. Without a schedule we would
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; never finish anything. But how about taking 9 months only as a &quot;nice
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to meet&quot; target, leaving us the option to set a roadmap after setting
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the specs of the next release - we could then go for a 8 or 10 months
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; roadmap, depending on the specs.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is somewhat like what I had in my mind to write too, but you beat
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; me to it :)
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It could allow us to adapt a little for upstream releases.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But should we then decide that the limit is +/- 1 month ?
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> There is 2 problem :
</I>&gt;<i> - for release of what software ?
</I>&gt;<i> - what if the upstream planning is wrong, and their releases is late
</I>&gt;<i> ( as it happened when I was a trainee in Mandrakesoft, with xfree being
</I>&gt;<i> 3 months late and the distribution still shipping a broken pre release )
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Obviously there will still be people complaining that &quot;you waited 10
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; months... if you had extended with ~2 more weeks... &quot;this&quot; or &quot;that&quot;
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package would have been available too... and so on....
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Yes, there will be.
</I>&gt;<i> So let's be realist, 9 months with +/- 1 month is just 10 months +
</I>&gt;<i> people complaining to have 10,5 months.
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> We will never use the -1 month, because there will always be something
</I>&gt;<i> worth waiting.
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actually, the real reason would be more to plan for whatever features you're 
going to implement and the time it takes to do them. if that's 8 months, it's 
8 months, if that's 9 or 10months, that's what it is.

We proved that we can take a planning and follow it through, even the last 
release_critical one was solved _just_in_time_...

imho, we need to decide now on a sort of 9month period, look at what we're 
going to do, then estimating how long it takes (with enough lenience), then 
make a real planning for that, and stick to it, if features are not ready, 
drop those features for next release, and make sure to fix all the 
release_criticals.
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