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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process</H1>
<B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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<I>Wed Jun 8 19:41:13 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>On 8 June 2011 19:39, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
><i> On 8 June 2011 18:57, Christiaan Welvaart <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Le mercredi 08 juin 2011 à 10:40 +0200, Anne nicolas a écrit :
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> Hi there
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> We have some stuff to complete here:
</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security</A>
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> <<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security</A>>Can we spend the 2 or 3
</I>>>>><i> coming
</I>>>>><i> days to finalize it and start updates submits?
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Pascal is working on this.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> So here is a proposal :
</I>>>><i> - anybody can submit a package to updates_testing.
</I>>>><i> - once submitted to testing, it should ask to QA to test, along with :
</I>>>><i>  - a reason for the update ( likely bug number )
</I>>>><i>  - potentially a priority ( ie, if this is just a translation update or
</I>>>><i> a urgent 0 day exploit )
</I>>>><i>  - a way to test the bug and see it is fixed
</I>>>><i>  - text for the update
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> - qa validate the update ( with process to define )
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> - someone move the package from updates_testing to testing
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Someone from security (stable updates) team I guess?
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> - the bug is closed
</I>>>><i> - a announce is sent ( on various medias to be defined ), with the text
</I>>>><i> of update
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> So who decides to reject an update and at what point? According to your
</I>>><i> proposal, either QA people decide this or they waste time on updates that
</I>>><i> later get rejected.
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> IMHO, rejection reasons:
</I>><i> - The sec team doesn't think the update fixes a serious security
</I>><i> vulnerability; so it's not updates but backports
</I>><i> - The QA team couldn't validate, i.e. using the test case in the bug
</I>><i> report, their test results didn't show that the bug is fixed
</I>><i>
</I>
Adding to this:
- the bug is fixed, but it caused regressions somewhere else in the
package itself, or in packages depending on it.
>>><i> So the points are :
</I>>>><i> - no update can be uploaded without QA validation
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> What does 'QA validation' mean exactly, can only certain people do it...?
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> IIUC, QA validation is that they use the test case given in the
</I>><i> report; an example of a test case:
</I>><i> - install package foo-1mga1 from */release
</I>><i> - do foo bar, notice the app crashes
</I>><i> - install the fixed package foo-1.1mga1 from */updates_testing
</I>><i> - test again, the bug should be fixed
</I>><i>
</I>><i> if any of these steps fail, then it's not gonna get pushed as an
</I>><i> update. And it should be the QA team doing the validation, i.e.
</I>><i> experienced devs/packagers in the that team.
</I>><i>
</I>>>><i> - QA manage the checks, and so will requires help ( hence the security
</I>>>><i> team or any packager can help, provided they know how to do QA )
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> So a packager wants to fix a bug in package that is not very visible, sends
</I>>><i> it to QA, then has to test it anyway? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Not the packager committing the fix, (if he doesn't think it's fixed
</I>><i> he won't ask for an update to begin with). But the QA team, this team
</I>><i> could/should have packagers in it.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    Christiaan
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Ahmad Samir
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Ahmad Samir
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