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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?</H1>
<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<I>Thu Jul 14 12:25:40 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>2011/7/14 blind Pete <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">0123peter at gmail.com</A>>:
><i> on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:04
</I>><i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
</I>><i> Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote:
</I>><i>
</I>>>><i> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
</I>>>><i> From: Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>
</I>>>><i> To: Mageia development mailing-list <mageia-dev-
</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org</A>>
</I>>>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
</I>>>><i>         non-free+tainted RPMs?
</I>>><i> Message-ID:
</I>>><i>         <CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>>
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</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> 2011/7/12 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>:
</I>>>><i> > Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
</I>>>><i> >>
</I>>>><i> >> 2011/7/9 andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>:
</I>>>><i> >>>
</I>>>><i> >>> Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
</I>>>><i> >>>>
</I>>>><i> >>>> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>:
</I>>>><i> >>>>>
</I>>>><i> >>>>> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>
</I>>>><i> >>>>>> 2011/7/8 James Kerr<jim-
</I>><i> t9WuiTNHXmZ/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmDbDnXM4b3SaDeIAXZp0Fzj8UutsXo at public.gmane.org</A>>:
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>>
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> This thread has strayed far from the original question, > which
</I>>><i> could
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> be
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> re-stated as:
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>>
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> commingled
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> in a
</I>>>><i> >>>>>>> single tainted repository?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> ...
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> >> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
</I>>>><i> >> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
</I>>>><i> >
</I>>>><i> > Ok, a relatively limited application.
</I>>>><i> >
</I>>>><i> > So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
</I>>>><i> > So why do we have more than 150 ?
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
</I>>>><i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
</I>>>><i> enforced. Period.
</I>>>><i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
</I>>>><i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
</I>>>><i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
</I>>>><i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
</I>>>><i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
</I>>>><i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
</I>>>><i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
</I>>>><i> repo.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> --
</I>>>><i> wobo
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> +1
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
</I>>><i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
</I>>><i> leagally recognized where I live.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
</I>>><i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
</I>>><i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
</I>>><i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
</I>>><i> on my computer. If  I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
</I>>><i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
</I>>><i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
</I>>><i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
</I>>><i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
</I>>><i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
</I>>><i> to cut my grass without his permission.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Does that lawnmower have wheels on it?  The wheel has been patented.
</I>><i> <www.ipmenu.com/archive/AUI_2001100012.pdf>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I do not live in the USA.  I am not a lawyer.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> If you are interested, I can give you some background about why I
</I>><i> laugh at some patents.
</I>
Everybody here laughs at software patents (more or less). That's not the issue.
--
wobo
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