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<H1>[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?</H1>
<B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 05/07/11 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
>><i> I see packages like gstreamer0.10-soup installed as separate packages.
</I>>><i> Is there any real gain from this split? Other than pulling in other
</I>>><i> libraries etc, as it just causes potential problems for some packages
</I>>><i> that do not require it. e.g. totem and rhythmbox both reqire the -soup
</I>>><i> package but phonon-gstreamer does not (it should).
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> But really, should this library just be bundled into the main -good
</I>>><i> package?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I agree about merging -soup, without it gst-based apps can't seem to
</I>><i> play online streams, this is a basic functionality, I guess.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> Ditto for other "overly split" things, like the pulse plugin,
</I>>><i> and the neon plugin in -bad....
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I dunno about pulse, it would pull pulseaudio on users' systems (I
</I>><i> know it's installed by default, but some do a minimal install and
</I>><i> don't install pulse, even if the some of pulse libs are too dug deep
</I>><i> down the whole stack :)).
</I>
Hmmm, gstreamer0.10-pulse requires "pulseaudio >= 0.9.7". Interesting.
I'm not sure why (it could easily be installed on a system that does not
have a PA daemon and operates as a thin client.
Wonder if we should just drop that require and then the gst-pulse plugin
only really requires libpulse which a *lot* of other things need anyway,
and thus no additional stuff pulled in. WDYT?
>><i> Has anyone sad down and thought about it a bit recently (here or in Mdv?)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> (I have to admit, I didn't sit down and think about it before). Here goes:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ===========================
</I>><i> -good:
</I>><i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-good | awk -F: '{print $1}'
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-caca
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-raw1394
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-soup
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-dv
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-wavpack
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-pulse
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-jack
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-speex
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-aalib
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-flac
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I think these can be merged in addition to -soup:
</I>><i> -flac, an open format, expected to work o-o-t-b, IMHO
</I>><i> -jack, doesn't matter really, it won't pull any more requires as
</I>><i> libjack.so.0 is deep in the stack anyway (just tested with urpme
</I>><i> --test and it wanted to yank 174 packages).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> As for the rest I am not sure, e.g. I've never used -wavpack, so I
</I>><i> think they can remain split.
</I>
Perhaps, but I'm just not convinced of the value of a split generally.
Sure you could argue that pulling in an extra lib here and there can
count for a lot of disk space, but then we end up with various problems
for other packages (like the soup issue - although granted, one as
obvious as that will likely not crop up with the more subtle extras -
until some user plugs in their dv video camera...... :p)
><i> =========================
</I>><i> -ugly looks OK to me.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly | awk -F: '{print $1}'
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-sid
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-twolame
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-a52dec
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-cdio
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-mpeg
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Though merging -a52dec looks like a good idea given how widely used
</I>><i> the AC-3 codec is.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ==========================
</I>><i> I left the "bad" for last, they look OK too, each sub-package
</I>><i> pulls/requires a different lib (e.g. rtmp -> librtmp.so.0), I guess
</I>><i> that's a good splitting criteria; I've never used -neon so I'll take
</I>><i> your word for it :)
</I>><i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad | awk -F: '{print $1}' |
</I>><i> grep -v lib
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-rtmp
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-nas
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-rsvg
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-soundtouch
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-musepack
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-gsm
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-resindvd
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-kate
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-neon
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-voip
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-jp2k
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-ladspa
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-doc
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-celt
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-schroedinger
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-mms
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-dc1394
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-directfb
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-dirac
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-ofa
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-wildmidi
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-gme
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-vdpau
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-mpeg2enc
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-vp8
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-cog
</I>><i> gstreamer0.10-curl
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> (A bit off-topic, I think -nas should be deprecated, NAS doesn't seem
</I>><i> that used lately?).
</I>
Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
It would be a lot simpler for users ("oh you need $foo? sure, just
installed -ugly/-bad") which is advise they can get direct from upstream
without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
opinions here :)
Col
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