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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it.</H1>
<B>Marcello Anni</B>
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<I>Tue Aug 2 17:21:09 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>><i> You are right in several points, but... :-)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Le 01/08/2011 15:59, Thierry Vignaud a écrit :
</I>><i> > On 1 August 2011 15:29, Thomas Lottmann<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">skipercooker at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
</I>><i> >> The other main issue I see si that Drakxnet is coded in Perl and uses a
</I>lot
><i> >> of perl scripts, like the drakxtools. This makes it hard to maintain, and
</I>to
><i> >> improve.
</I>><i> > That's just your own POV.
</I>><i> > Not the POV of maintainers.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Are there other maintainers for this tool than it's creators or
</I>><i> long-time maintainers? This is not only my POV, but also what I have
</I>><i> heard from a variety of people since the time I participate a little.
</I>><i> Anyway...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> I know it works fine for several people. Personally, I am often having
</I>><i> >> issues because it's disconnects on it's own,
</I>><i> > This has nothing to do with drakconnect that don't handle that.
</I>><i> > If the network disconnected, that's the issue between the routers,
</I>><i> > the network, the kernel, ....
</I>><i> > and no longer sees any networks when it should.
</I>><i> > which points to either network issue or kernel driver issue, not
</I>drakconnect.
><i>
</I>><i> Other people not using Mageia do not get as often disconnected as me
</I>><i> when using public hotspots. Mageia wireless tools seem to have more
</I>><i> difficulty to connect and keep the connections to hotspots that have a
</I>><i> low (not bad, low) quality signal, while Windows keeps connected, or,
</I>><i> quickly reconnects automatically.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Meanwhile, I have to reconnect manually and, more frustrating, it seems
</I>><i> the wireless utility sometime attempts to reconnect automatically, but I
</I>><i> can't clearly know.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The other bizarre thing I often see is when the hotspots he sees fall
</I>><i> from 35 to 0 (or 1, the hotspot he's tryign to connect). This is not
</I>><i> normal, I have not observed this NM, Windows or Mac OS X tools.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >> Then it has difficulty reconnecting.
</I>><i> > Same, reconnecting is the job of dhcp-client, ifplugd and the like.
</I>><i> > Not drakconnect's job.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I can't tell. I can only observe and I do not invent what I describe
</I>><i> (and have already described in the past). :-)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> Windows, Fedora and Ubuntu's wireless tools work absolutely smoothly at
</I>my
><i> >> school. And now, other people testing Mageia as school are having the
</I>same
><i> >> issues I have. This is frustrating and I can assure you these home-made
</I>><i> >> network tools have to be improved and fixed.
</I>><i> > Well, Fedora tool (really NM) has its own bugs.
</I>><i> True.
</I>><i> > And I'm pretty sure people who've used MS, Apple or whatever OS/tool
</I>><i> > they're used to, have also encountered issues
</I>><i> True. But these issues are less evident to find apparently, and do not
</I>><i> affect that much user experience.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> When a user wants to connect to a wireless hotspot, he should just click
</I>><i> connect, enter his IDs and it should work fluently. If it is often the
</I>><i> case with Mageia tools with a personal hotspot and when you're next to
</I>><i> it, it is not always the case when you use it everyday, and, sadly,
</I>><i> other tools do better and have a more stable and smooth wireless
</I>><i> connectivity, even if they also encournter issues. Their issues are not
</I>><i> that much affecting user experience like the ones I have described.
</I>><i> >> If you want to, I can attempt to make a list of the isses and
</I>incoherencies
><i> >> I find, although they are not hard to see.
</I>><i> > Indeed, please just fill in _several_ bugs (one report per issue)
</I>><i> > against drakx-net
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I will do one report for each issue I find in drakxnet, with as much
</I>><i> details as possible, yes. I shall also do a video capture of the issue
</I>><i> if it can help. this will take me a lot of time, but I will do it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> But as I mentionned earlier, this
</I>><i> >> is a tool that is hard to maintain, and I cannot learn perl right now.
</I>><i> > That's just _your_ personnal though, not his maintainer's.
</I>><i> > aka "this is a tool that is hard to maintain" really means "you would not
</I>be
><i> > able to maintain it"
</I>><i> Right.
</I>><i> >> If NetworkManager is easier to maintain and works fine, then I think it
</I>can
><i> >> be a better solution. Just offering or trying to find solutions, because
</I>><i> >> this tool seriously does not work properly here.
</I>><i> > it has its own flaws too...
</I>><i> Yes, but it does not confuses itself with it's own configuration files.
</I>><i> Clearly, all programs can have flaws, but sincerely, it is not working
</I>><i> well in Mageia and is not pleasant to use. Otherwise I would not report
</I>><i> again about it. ;-)
</I>><i>
</I>
btw, i think ALL mageia tools must be redesigned to match the medium usability
level of nowadays...
cheers,
Marcello
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