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<B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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<I>Sun Dec 5 21:33:04 CET 2010</I>
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<PRE>On 05.12.2010 21:47, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>
</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>>> wrote:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>
</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>
</I>><i> > <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>>> wrote:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Dale Huckeby a écrit :
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > John a écrit :
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
</I>><i> > Maarten Vanraes wrote:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad
</I>><i> > Samir:
</I>><i> > [...]
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it
</I>><i> > detects the nvidia
</I>><i> > proprietary module for example, (which
</I>><i> > admittedly gave me a bit of
</I>><i> > shock the first time I saw it :)).
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Heh, i had the same reaction.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > >From all the proposed names, I think
</I>><i> "tainted"
</I>><i> > is the best one, as the
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > packages in there are in a "grey" zone,
</I>><i> i.e. not
</I>><i> > totally illegal
</I>><i> > everywhere, but illegal only in some places in
</I>><i> > the world. And in
</I>><i> > reality the existence of a patent doesn't
</I>><i> > necessarily mean it's
</I>><i> > enforceable in a court of law (the only
</I>><i> way we'd
</I>><i> > know for sure is if
</I>><i> > someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€
</I>><i> > worth :)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Generally only potentially "illegal" in some countries.
</I>><i> > "Tainted" means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger
</I>><i> than
</I>><i> > potentially "illegal". (Really only actionable in a civil
</I>><i> > sense, not
</I>><i> > criminally illegal, as well.)
</I>><i> > A package could end up there due to an apparently credible
</I>><i> > rumour,
</I>><i> > later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > I agree. Problematic comes closer to "potentially
</I>><i> illegal", so I
</I>><i> > looked
</I>><i> > up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,
</I>><i> > iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,
</I>><i> > unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally
</I>><i> > I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think
</I>><i> > several
</I>><i> > of these would do. WDYT?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Dale Huckeby
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > A much better set of choices.
</I>><i> > (Thanks for looking these up. Good idea.)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Let's remember that the question for these packages is not the
</I>><i> > quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use
</I>><i> > them, for other reasons, in some countries.
</I>><i> > So I think that it is better to avoid words that could
</I>><i> question the
</I>><i> > QUALITY of the packages.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Words in the list like
</I>><i> > ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative
</I>><i> > avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too
</I>><i> formal.
</I>><i> > Or just not catchy enough ;)
</I>><i> > ("Iffy" might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Additional words I found in Roget's thesaurus, along the same
</I>><i> lines :
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Associated more with debatable :
</I>><i> > arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Associated more with controversial :
</I>><i> > confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Of these additional words, I think that "contestable",
</I>><i> "disputable",
</I>><i> > and "controversial" are probably closest to the SENSE of the
</I>><i> > repositories.
</I>><i> > But maybe too formal ?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Many of these words could be good choices.
</I>><i> > And maybe someone will come up with some more ?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > my 2 cents :)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > - André
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > What about: main, free, non-free?
</I>><i> > In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only
</I>><i> > packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those
</I>><i> which
</I>><i> > aren't clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this
</I>><i> discussion).
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > All three names are as clear as possible what's meant.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The license of the packages is not in question (they are free), the
</I>><i> patent (etc) situation is.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Anssi Hannula
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> That's what i ment.
</I>
I don't understand. So, where would you put e.g. patent-encumbered
packages of free software, then? If to "free", that runs counter to the
desire to having them in a separate repository. If to "nonfree", that
would simply be wrong as they are not nonfree.
--
Anssi Hannula
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