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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two</H1>
<B>Daniel Kreuter</B>
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<I>Sun Dec 5 18:36:36 CET 2010</I>
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<PRE>On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote:
><i> Dale Huckeby a écrit :
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> John a écrit :
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
</I>>>>><i> Maarten Vanraes wrote:
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
</I>>>>>><i> [...]
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>>><i> The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia
</I>>>>>>><i> proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of
</I>>>>>>><i> shock the first time I saw it :)).
</I>>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i> Heh, i had the same reaction.
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i> From all the proposed names, I think "tainted" is the best one, as the
</I>>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>>><i> packages in there are in a "grey" zone, i.e. not totally illegal
</I>>>>>>><i> everywhere, but illegal only in some places in the world. And in
</I>>>>>>><i> reality the existence of a patent doesn't necessarily mean it's
</I>>>>>>><i> enforceable in a court of law (the only way we'd know for sure is if
</I>>>>>>><i> someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€ worth :)
</I>>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Generally only potentially "illegal" in some countries.
</I>>>><i> "Tainted" means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than
</I>>>><i> potentially "illegal". (Really only actionable in a civil sense, not
</I>>>><i> criminally illegal, as well.)
</I>>>><i> A package could end up there due to an apparently credible rumour,
</I>>>><i> later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)
</I>>>><i>
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> I agree. Problematic comes closer to "potentially illegal", so I looked
</I>>><i> up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,
</I>>><i> iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,
</I>>><i> unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally
</I>>><i> I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think several
</I>>><i> of these would do. WDYT?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Dale Huckeby
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> A much better set of choices.
</I>><i> (Thanks for looking these up. Good idea.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Let's remember that the question for these packages is not the quality of
</I>><i> their functioning - but rather the advisability to use them, for other
</I>><i> reasons, in some countries.
</I>><i> So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the QUALITY
</I>><i> of the packages.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Words in the list like
</I>><i> ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative
</I>><i> avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.
</I>><i> Or just not catchy enough ;)
</I>><i> ("Iffy" might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Additional words I found in Roget's thesaurus, along the same lines :
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Associated more with debatable :
</I>><i> arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Associated more with controversial :
</I>><i> confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Of these additional words, I think that "contestable", "disputable", and
</I>><i> "controversial" are probably closest to the SENSE of the repositories.
</I>><i> But maybe too formal ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Many of these words could be good choices.
</I>><i> And maybe someone will come up with some more ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> my 2 cents :)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - André
</I>><i>
</I>
What about: main, free, non-free?
In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only packages
which are under a free license and in non-free are those which aren't clear
if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).
All three names are as clear as possible what's meant.
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Greetings
Daniel Kreuter
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