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<B>Dexter Morgan</B>
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<I>Wed Jun 29 15:20:26 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> wrote:
><i> Am 29.06.2011 14:43, schrieb Max Quarterpleen:
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Dexter Morgan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>
</I>>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>>> wrote:
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Luc Menut <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork">lmenut at free.fr</A>
</I>>><i>    <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork">lmenut at free.fr</A>>> wrote:
</I>>><i>     > Hi,
</I>>><i>     >
</I>>><i>     > Le 29/06/2011 08:42, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :
</I>>><i>     >>
</I>>><i>     >> Dear team-mates,
</I>>><i>     >> we will hold a short meeting today:
</I>>><i>     >> Topics are:
</I>>><i>     >> * Window decoration
</I>>><i>     >
</I>>><i>     > Mainly as a Mageia's user, and also as a packager, I would make
</I>>><i>    some remarks
</I>>><i>     > about window decoration for next Mageia release.
</I>>><i>     > We had several bugs in the past (at start of ia_ora in Mdv) with
</I>>><i>    our own
</I>>><i>     > window decoration.
</I>>><i>     > Maintaining a good window decoration is lot of work, and I'm not
</I>>><i>    sure we
</I>>><i>     > have enough manpower to do so (or that it's the best use of our
</I>>><i>    limited
</I>>><i>     > manpower!!).
</I>>><i>     > I would prefer if we use the upstream window decoration (and
</I>>><i>    widget style)
</I>>><i>     > of desktop environments (even if we have some differences between
</I>>><i>    DE), and
</I>>><i>     > we take time to polish the integration of most of graphics
</I>>><i>    applications
</I>>><i>     > (qt4, gtk2, and now gtk3 apps) in each DE.
</I>>><i>     >
</I>>><i>     > my 2 cents :-)
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    we need coherency between the desktops so we need the same default
</I>>><i>    theme for gtk and kde apps.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    This is why i propose this :
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    KDE => Oxygen
</I>>><i>    GTK 3  => Oxygen-gtk3
</I>>><i>    GTK 2  => Oxygen-gtk
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    We can't use ia ora anymore for mageia  2 because we would need to
</I>>><i>    recode all the theme for gtk3 so better leave it in peace and use a
</I>>><i>    new one.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>    As a gnome packager i started to package oxygen-gtk3 and i will work
</I>>><i>    to have it usuable in our gnome 3.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> My 2 cents: I've never like ia-ora, and if I recall a discussion on the
</I>>><i> forum, neither do many other people.
</I>>><i> For that reason alone I think it would be expedient to switch the
</I>>><i> default scheme to Oxygen.
</I>>><i> But of course there are other, better reasons :P
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Yeah, I doesn't like ia-ora either. And I'm with Dexter. We need coherency.
</I>><i> So to sums things up, we need a window-decoration, which is available for
</I>><i> kde(and qt), gtk2, and gtk3, or an engine which allows to use a kde theme in
</I>><i> gtk (or vice versa). So one of us, should collect the available decorations
</I>><i> which fits these requirements.
</I>><i> Mandriva has a new theme in KDE, which looks very similar to the new GNOME3
</I>><i> decoration. So there should be probably some solutions, without to much work
</I>><i> for us.
</I>
oxygen is the best because it answer to all you pre requires:
1- Oxygen is in heavy development so bugs will be fixed easily
2- Oxygen-gtk and oxygen-gtk3 are done by the same devs as oxygen for
kde ( so point 1 is also valid )
3- Oxygen use all kde functionnalities ( like tab grouping, ... )
I think we should adopt oxygen for mageia2 ( and after ) and more
focus about colour palettes
my 2cts
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