[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config

Thu Mar 22 07:21:53 CET 2012

On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold<doktor5000 at arcor.de>:
+>> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Maât:
+>>> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny<rdalverny at gmail.com>    wrote:
+>>>>> [...]
+>>>> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+>>>>    * Sysadmins group:
+>>>>      - removed;
+>>>>    * Administrators group:
+>>>>      - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+>>>> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+>>>> managed by them directly;
+>>>>      - added boklm as leader;
+>>>>      - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+>>>> for several months;
+>>>>      - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+>>> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+>>> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+>>>
+>>> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
+>>> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
+>>> created in LDAP directory)
+>>>
+>>>>    * Moderators group:
+>>>>      - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+>>>>
+>>>> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+>>>> moderators already operate).
+>>>>
+>>>> So now:
+>>>>    - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+>>>> admin&    moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+>>>>    - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+>>>> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+>>>> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+>>>>    - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+>>>>
+>>>> r.
+>>> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+>>>
+>>>   * Separation of forum administration on several "roles" which... oh
+>>>     well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+>>>     me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+>>>   * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+>>>     mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+>>>     testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+>>>     pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+>>>     minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+>>>     mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+>>>     chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+>>>     god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+>>>     this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+>>>     get into)
+>>>
+>>> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
+>>> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+>> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
+>>
+>>> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
+>>> "interface forum admin" is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
+>>> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
+>>> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
+>>> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
+>>> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
+>>> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
+>> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+>> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+
+TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is 
+still around.
+
+Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned?
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