[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config

Wed Mar 21 23:34:24 CET 2012

2012/3/21 Florian Hubold <doktor5000 at arcor.de>:
+> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Maât:
+>> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny<rdalverny at gmail.com>  wrote:
+>>>> [...]
+>>> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+>>>   * Sysadmins group:
+>>>     - removed;
+>>>   * Administrators group:
+>>>     - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+>>> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+>>> managed by them directly;
+>>>     - added boklm as leader;
+>>>     - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+>>> for several months;
+>>>     - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+>> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+>> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+>>
+>> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
+>> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
+>> created in LDAP directory)
+>>
+>>>   * Moderators group:
+>>>     - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+>>>
+>>> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+>>> moderators already operate).
+>>>
+>>> So now:
+>>>   - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+>>> admin&  moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+>>>   - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+>>> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+>>> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+>>>   - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+>>>
+>>> r.
+>>
+>> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+>>
+>>  * Separation of forum administration on several "roles" which... oh
+>>    well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+>>    me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+>>  * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+>>    mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+>>    testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+>>    pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+>>    minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+>>    mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+>>    chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+>>    god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+>>    this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+>>    get into)
+>>
+>> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
+>> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+>
+> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
+>
+>> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
+>> "interface forum admin" is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
+>> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
+>> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
+>> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
+>> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
+>> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
+> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+> These arguments from you are just laughable to me, sorry, but i,
+> for one, rather like to be true than to bite my lips.
+>
+> For a real world example, we have a few of such pure "emasculated"
+> interface forum admins as moderators at mandrivauser.de, and it's
+> perfectly enough to care for the day-to-day forum business.
+> But you seem to know much better, that's maybe also the reason
+> why the int. Mageia forum is currently doing so well overall.
+>
+> But i'll refrain to go on about this, to keep my blood pressure at sane levels.
+>
+>>
+>> (sigh)
+>>
+> Exactly.
+
+Not much to add to this.
+maât, you haven't understood it many months ago, I'm not surprised
+that you don't understand it now. Setting up a forum can be done by
+somebody like you or any other guy with the necessary technical
+knowledge. Being a real admin in a forum involves more than that
+technical knowledge.
+
+But i'll refrain to go on about this, to save me from dieing of boredom.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+