[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]

Tue Sep 21 23:12:47 CEST 2010

Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 22:55:09 schreef Matthew Dawkins:
+> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per Øyvind Karlsen
+> 
+> <peroyvind at mandriva.org>wrote:
+> > 2010/9/21 Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com>:
+> > > Jostein Hauge wrote:
+> > >> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this
+> > 
+> > should
+> > 
+> > >> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of
+> > >> us would
+> > >> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+> > >> 
+> > >> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does
+> > >> it
+> > 
+> > make
+> > 
+> > >> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration
+> > 
+> > between
+> > 
+> > >> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+> > >> 
+> > >> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you
+> > 
+> > could
+> > 
+> > >> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+> > >> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look
+> > 
+> > more
+> > 
+> > >> like
+> > >> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+> > > 
+> > > +1
+> > > 
+> > > The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going
+> > > downhill fast.
+> > > 
+> > > As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,
+> > > whether or not that seems respectful to the community.  I'd be the last
+> > > one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded
+> > > long ago.  But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect
+> > > their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to
+> > > please shareholders.  They probably don't know we exist.
+> > > 
+> > > In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is
+> > > good for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it
+> > > than I would otherwise.  And once they go down that path, it would be
+> > > very difficult to reverse.
+> > > 
+> > > No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,
+> > > remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the
+> > > bread of another".  If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host
+> > > a foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing
+> > > to let the community control it, just go forward from there.
+> > 
+> > You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion
+> > on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the
+> > benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the
+> > whole thing.
+> > 
+> > The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the
+> > foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that
+> > Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal
+> > vendetta.
+> > 
+> > This isn't something originally coming from the management of the
+> > company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of
+> > the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for
+> > discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a
+> > while!
+> > 
+> > 
+> > --
+> > Regards,
+> > Per Øyvind
+> 
+> Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM
+> repository as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an
+> independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see
+> where branching can be taken advantage of, but as mentioned before it would
+> take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard
+> a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the Mandriva svn
+> and to account for growth.
+> 
+> Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is
+> just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from
+> that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that
+> many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to
+> roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and
+> organization that goes into it. So I'm not going to address them.
+> 
+> So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?
+> 
+> Regards,
+> Matthew Dawkins
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