[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]

Tue Sep 21 22:55:09 CEST 2010

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per Øyvind Karlsen
+<peroyvind at mandriva.org>wrote:
+
+> 2010/9/21 Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com>:
+> > Jostein Hauge wrote:
+> >>
+> >> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this
+> should
+> >> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us
+> >> would
+> >> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+> >>
+> >> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it
+> make
+> >> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration
+> between
+> >> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+> >>
+> >> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you
+> could
+> >> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+> >> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look
+> more
+> >> like
+> >> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+> >>
+> >>
+> > +1
+> >
+> > The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going
+> > downhill fast.
+> >
+> > As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,
+> > whether or not that seems respectful to the community.  I'd be the last
+> > one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded
+> > long ago.  But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect
+> > their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to
+> > please shareholders.  They probably don't know we exist.
+> >
+> > In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is good
+> > for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I
+> > would otherwise.  And once they go down that path, it would be very
+> > difficult to reverse.
+> >
+> > No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,
+> > remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the
+> > bread of another".  If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a
+> > foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing to
+> > let the community control it, just go forward from there.
+> You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion
+> on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the
+> benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the
+> whole thing.
+>
+> The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the
+> foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that
+> Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal
+> vendetta.
+>
+> This isn't something originally coming from the management of the
+> company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of
+> the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for
+> discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a
+> while!
+>
+>
+> --
+> Regards,
+> Per Øyvind
+>
+
+
+Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM
+repository as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an
+independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see
+where branching can be taken advantage of, but as mentioned before it would
+take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard
+a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the Mandriva svn and
+to account for growth.
+
+Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is
+just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from
+that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that
+many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create
+a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into
+it. So I'm not going to address them.
+
+So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?
+
+Regards,
+Matthew Dawkins
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