[Mageia-dev] Logging + Provides/Requires (Re: [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl)

Fri Feb 8 14:36:14 CET 2013

08.02.2013 15:19, Olav Vitters skrev:
+> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 02:07:52PM +0100, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+>> Le 08/02/2013 13:14, Olav Vitters a écrit :
+>>> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:31:42AM +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+>>>>   Q) Will we make persistent disk-based journals optional?
+>>>>     Yes: Makes it harder to ask a consistent question to extract debug.
+>>>>     No: Some people will moan.
+>>>
+>>> It is either persistent logging or logging in memory right? I assume
+>>> people won't understand that it'll log anyways, just in memory. So no
+>>> point in giving an option that does not do what people might expect.
+>>>
+>>
+>> Just one point about this. It was said during meeting that having
+>> journalctl by default could break some other software like fail2ban.
+>> This should be checked.
+>
+> Some software relies on /var/log/messages and as such syslog. Journal
+> does not break anything. But if you then remove syslog, then result is
+> that such things will break.
+>
+> Same for gnome-system-log. IMO we should fix that software which relies
+> on /var/log/messages (before 3 and if found afterwards, provide
+> updates). For unmaintained software, deal with it as any other.
+>
+> /var/log/messages usually contains this weeks log messages. It is pretty
+> trivial to replace that with the output of journalctl.
+>
+
+I think the best thing for Mga3 is to both install journald and
+upgrade rsyslog too by sticking it on install medias.
+
+Then we add in Mga 3 release notes that for upgrades rsyslog
+will be upgraded, but new installs will only have journald,
+so people wanting / needing it _must_ install it manually.
+
+And we also add the in the notes that we *might* obsolete
+(but not remove from repos, to still keep it as an option)
+it during upgrades in coming mga releases if journald gains
+all the features needed to really replace rsyslog.
+So we suggest people start trying to see if journald can
+provide all that they need.
+
+As a side note...
+when journald was first introduced I had the "what for..."
+reaction too as I was so used to grepping syslogs for
+stuff I needed... :)
+
+But now when I have gotten used to journalctl and the power
+of it, I dont really need the old logs anymore :)
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+