[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

Thu Feb 7 16:46:38 CET 2013

'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 07/02/13 15:35 did gyre and gimble:
+> --- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
+>> From: Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie>
+>> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl
+>> To: "Mageia development mailing-list" <mageia-dev at mageia.org>
+>> Cc: "David Walser" <luigiwalser at yahoo.com>
+>> Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:56 AM
+>> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
+>> 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
+>>> Colin Guthrie <mageia at ...> writes:
+>>>> Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there
+>> is any argument that
+>>>> would suggest the removal from the repositories or
+>> obsoletion of rsyslog
+>>>> or syslog-ng etc.
+>>>
+>>> I agree, and that's consistent with what you've said in
+>> the past.  I thought
+>>> it was odd that the idea of obsoleting them came up
+>> yesterday in the packager
+>>> meeting, but it did.  The main reason was wanting
+>> to know if rsyslog should
+>>> still be on the DVD, in case of users using it to
+>> upgrade from Mageia 2.
+>>>
+>>> It may be the case that not upgrading that particular
+>> package during the DVD
+>>> upgrade won't *break* anything and it can just be
+>> upgraded after the system
+>>> is booted and urpmi sources are added, in which case it
+>> doesn't *need* to be
+>>> on the DVD.  Otherwise, we should make sure it's
+>> on there.
+>>
+>> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the
+>> physical media
+>> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd
+>> package with
+>> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be
+>> removed when
+>> upgrading (AIUI).
+> 
+> I don't agree with unexpectedly forcibly removing it from people's systems.
+> 
+> Do we even know if it hurts anything to leave the mga2 package installed for a few minutes?
+
+rsyslog and it's packaging in relation to systemd has certainly changed
+a lot... dunno exactly how much harm it would do but it would be a
+combination we'd need to cover in QA to make sure.
+
+Better if it can just be avoided if possible (i.e. include it on the
+physical media for now).
+
+Col
+
+
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