[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

Thu Feb 7 16:35:20 CET 2013

--- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
+> From: Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie>
+> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl
+> To: "Mageia development mailing-list" <mageia-dev at mageia.org>
+> Cc: "David Walser" <luigiwalser at yahoo.com>
+> Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:56 AM
+> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
+> 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
+> > Colin Guthrie <mageia at ...> writes:
+> >> Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there
+> is any argument that
+> >> would suggest the removal from the repositories or
+> obsoletion of rsyslog
+> >> or syslog-ng etc.
+> > 
+> > I agree, and that's consistent with what you've said in
+> the past.  I thought
+> > it was odd that the idea of obsoleting them came up
+> yesterday in the packager
+> > meeting, but it did.  The main reason was wanting
+> to know if rsyslog should
+> > still be on the DVD, in case of users using it to
+> upgrade from Mageia 2.
+> > 
+> > It may be the case that not upgrading that particular
+> package during the DVD
+> > upgrade won't *break* anything and it can just be
+> upgraded after the system
+> > is booted and urpmi sources are added, in which case it
+> doesn't *need* to be
+> > on the DVD.  Otherwise, we should make sure it's
+> on there.
+> 
+> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the
+> physical media
+> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd
+> package with
+> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be
+> removed when
+> upgrading (AIUI).
+
+I don't agree with unexpectedly forcibly removing it from people's systems.
+
+Do we even know if it hurts anything to leave the mga2 package installed for a few minutes?
+