[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

Mon Sep 24 21:29:48 CEST 2012

Op maandag 24 september 2012 13:33:49 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+> zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
+> > Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+> >> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+> >> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+> >> and so on...
+> > 
+> > Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
+> > number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
+> > decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
+> > keep the same numbers of medias.
+> 
+> Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
+> 
+> I meant it only as a response to the:
+> "it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users."
+> 
+> > As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
+> > Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
+> > 
+> > - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
+> > - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
+> > boot.iso media.
+> > - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
+> > shops).
+> 
+> But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
+> Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
+> 
+> And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
+> do get slower to boot...
+> 
+> > Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
+> > install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
+> > of QA people!
+> 
+> Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
+> we do need to reduce the media sets...
+> which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
+> - 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD ("works everywhere")
+> - 1 i586 KDE english   liveCD ("works everywhere")
+> 
+> - 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+> - 1 i586 KDE   all-lang liveDVD
+> 
+> - 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+> - 1 x86_64 KDE   all-lang liveDVD
+> 
+> That would bring the live* media down from 16 -> 6
+> 
+> 
+> And as data point...
+> With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
+> arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
+> 
+> 
+> If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
+> questions:
+> 
+> - Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
+> 
+> Then we get the complaints:
+> - "why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME"?
+> - "why should I need to download  GNOME stuff when I want KDE"?
+> - "why ..."
+
+how about adding 32bit/64bit to one liveDVD, bringing total livemedia to 4 ?
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+> and the technical side:
+> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
+>    also giving more problem for little if any gain....
+> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
+> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
+> - ...
+> 
+> --
+> 
+> Thomas
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