[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

Mon Sep 24 09:55:20 CEST 2012

andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57:
+> Anne Nicolas a écrit :
+>> Hi there
+>>
+>> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+>> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+>> need to take some decisions.
+>>
+>> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+>> and review about Mageia on the web.
+>>
+>> - provide a full open source software version
+>> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+>> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+>> - provide live version(s)
+>> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+>> - provide localization as large as possible
+>> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+>> it easier to install and configure
+> ...
+>> Please add all explanations to your proposal.
+>>
+>> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+>> final proposal
+>>
+>> Cheers
+>>
+> My suggestions :
+> *Non-live isos*
+> 1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers
+> -- based on comments by Alien and others
+>
+> 1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers
+
+
+you do realize that this is a no-go as we already have problem fitting 
+even LXDE on dual isos (as you only have ~350M / arch for rpms and 
+installer, so trying to load a lot of extra fw and drivers on wont work.
+
+And yes, we already hardlink noarch packages
+
+
+> -- we could ask at the beginning something like
+> "This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your
+> hardware.  Do you want to :
+> 1) Install such software automatically,
+> 2) Ask for each such software, or
+> 3) Never install such software."
+>
+> That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish.
+> At the same time, users will never be stuck.  This will be particularly
+> useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine.
+> Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could
+> simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that
+> their hardware doesn't work properly.
+
+As with all suggestions to mod the installer, we still need someone to
+do the work, not just expect that "someone" will do it...
+
+> -- It seems unlikely that magazines would care about the free/nonfree
+> issue, as long as the software is redistributable without cost.  And I'm
+> only talking about firmware/drivers where a reliable free version
+> doesn't exist.
+>
+> *Live isos*
+> 1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with
+> kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory
+> firmware/drivers now found on live cds.
+> -- variation of suggestion by Sander
+> -- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds
+> -- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users.  (If I'm not mistaken.)
+
+
+You are kidding, right ?
+Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, 
+and so on...
+
+
+> -- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they
+> wish.
+> -- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers
+> don't have 64-bit machines available.
+>
+> 8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups
+> -- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth
+> problems, or to not have dvd writers.
+>
+> This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.)
+>
+> Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers,
+> as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be
+> redundant.  Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload.
+>
+> Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory
+> listing the languages available on the various live cds.  (Lacking for
+> mga2, but did exist for mandriva.)
+>
+
+
+Not so... every livecd is has a matching *.lang:
+
+http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs
+
+
+And this page lists the langs on the isos too:
+http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/
+
+
+> A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an
+> existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install.  This allows
+
+DVDs and netinstalls already support upgrades...
+(DVDs will still always have some problem unless you add online medias,
+  as we cant fit all of the online repos on the DVDs)
+
+The mga3 upgrade path will need more work due to UsrMove, but it
+should still be possible...
+
+> the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some
+> cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso.  Referring to the dvds
+> and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for
+> installation.
+
+I guess you mean livecds _are_ meant for installation, not upgrades
+
+--
+
+Thomas
+
+
+