[Mageia-dev] Are you sure? (no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation)

Fri May 4 17:59:49 CEST 2012

2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis <dglent at gmail.com>:
+>
+> Le 4 mai 2012 17:19, "Wolfgang Bornath" <molch.b at googlemail.com> a écrit :
+>
+>
+>>
+>> 2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis <dglent at gmail.com>:
+>> >
+>> > Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, "Thomas Backlund" <tmb at mageia.org> a écrit :
+>> >
+>> >
+>> >>
+>> >> 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:
+>> >> > On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata <mrmazda at earthlink.net> wrote:
+>> >> >> Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva.
+>> >> >> The
+>> >> >> type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate
+>> >> >> step
+>> >> >> prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this
+>> >> >> bother
+>> >> >> no
+>> >> >> one else?
+>> >> >
+>> >> > Too late to report.
+>> >> > When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the
+>> >> > final?
+>> >>
+>> >> Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3
+>> >>
+>> >> --
+>> >> Thomas
+>> >>
+>> >
+>> > Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the
+>> > partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you
+>> > have
+>> > checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.
+>> >
+>> > It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more
+>> > than
+>> > usefull.
+>> > Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed
+>> > the
+>> > usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the
+>> > answers
+>> > that i got was like 'you click on OK so you have to be sure', 'no
+>> > needed,
+>> > useless feature' etc.
+>> >
+>> > If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose
+>> > it
+>> > again.
+>>
+>> Do you think you will get a different result? Look at Microsoft.
+>> People were so annoyed by all these "Are you sure" popups that
+>> comedians started to refer to these popups in their standup sessions
+>> ("Do you really want to use the brake pedal?"). AFAIR there hasn't
+>> been such a popup at the situations you pointed to as long as
+>> Mandrake/Mandriva existed. I haven't heard anybody complaining about
+>> this (until today).
+>> About the selection screens:
+>>
+>> For me the first selection screen (KDE - Gnome - Custom) serves the
+>> new user who wants to get on with the installation without any
+>> interactive stuff he would not know how to handle it. So the screen
+>> presents 2 options which will get him a standard system with one
+>> click. Everybody else is surely able to understand the word "Custom"
+>> which opens the door to everything else. The next screen offers a
+>> package selection which allows for installation of whole groups (or
+>> non-installation). This same screen opens the door to the minimal
+>> installation options (if you deselect all package groups). It also
+>> shows the option "Individual package selection".
+>>
+>> To me this is a logical procedure (one step following the selection of
+>> the previous step).
+>>
+>> Of course Mageia could put something like "Clicking OK will start the
+>> installation" below the KDE and Gnome options or something similar.
+>>
+>> About the partitioning:
+>>
+>> What exactly do you miss there (you have seen the "expert" button?) ?
+>>
+>> IMHO there is nothing missing or at presented at the wrong state of
+>> the installation procedure.
+>>
+>> --
+>> wobo
+>
+> In the specific case i mentionned, there is a risc of loosing data, so i
+> think that it is usefull to prevent. Why you are informed when you switch to
+> expert mode in diskdrake?
+
+Because the "Expert" button is there to tell users that if they will
+press this button they should know what they are doing.
+
+> Twice i avoided to delete the /home partition. To prevent other users, in
+> the greek translation i add the 'formatting (delete data)'
+
+At which occasion? In normal mode after leaving the partitioning
+screen you will get a list of partitions which will be formatted. If
+you set the mount point for /home on your "old" home partition the
+checkbox beside this partition will be not marked by default. So,
+first a new user does not have an old /home partition, second: if he
+has then he should not override the default (or click on "Back" to
+make sure he does not do something stupid). Yes, there is a "Back"
+button on the formatting screen. Besides, clicking on "Next" in the
+partitioning screen shows a popup where you can cancel the operation.
+
+So this step (partitioning and formatting) is secured by the double.
+Given the fact that even the newest user should be aware that this is
+an important step I think a normal computer user will pay attention to
+what he is doing there.
+
+I don't think that I understand what you mean exactly.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+