[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-gnome-3.3.2-8.mga2

Mon Mar 12 18:53:23 CET 2012

On 12 March 2012 18:40, Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl> wrote:
+>> > - ensure gnome-utils is installed (mga#4903)
+>>
+>> 1) This is not what you've done.
+>> What you've done is suggesting many GNOME packages that don't came
+>> from gnome-utils
+>> but come from their own SRPMS.
+>
+> gnome-utils was split up into various tarballs:
+> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeUtils
+>
+> task-gnome contained only a "Obsoletes: gnome-utils". I replaced it with
+> suggests for the splitted packages to ensure that gnome-screenshot (the
+> bug) as well as the other replacements would be installed.
+>
+> Or do you mean that above webpage is wrong? Could be, didn't really
+> check that thoroughly what packages replaced gnome-utils.
+
+I means your log messages isn't what you've done.
+You'ven't add any require or suggest on gnome-utils but on a number of
+new gnome packages.
+Your log messages should describe that.
+ not tha
+
+>> 2) Also as those are suggests, they'll never end on the install DVD,
+>> thus defeating
+>> " ensure gnome-utils is installed"
+>
+> I have asked many times about task-gnome and task-gnome-minimal and
+> everyone has their own definition. I've asked various times if the
+> "GNOME" option in the installer could please reflect "GNOME", and not
+> some weird cut-down version of it called "task-gnome-minimal", but
+> haven't gotten very far with that.
+
+I'm not speaking about task-gnome*, I'm writing about the fact you're
+using suggests tags and thus that those packages will never land
+on the install DVDs.
+
+> I don't want to step on toes and just ignore the "task-gnome-minimal" vs
+> "task-gnome", etc (I still don't get why we have -minimal; I also don't
+> see why we have task-gnome though.. seems that not even Nautilus would
+> be installed), so I added Suggests instead.
+
+Again offtopic.
+
+> I don't really see any difference between either having the
+> gnome-screenshot as a Suggests in task-gnome (which the installer
+> doesn't install, it looks at task-gnome-minimal) or as Suggests in
+> task-gnome-minimal (which won't end up on the DVD apparently).
+> If task-gnome-minimal is "not to be touched" and task-gnome is not
+> installed by the installer.. what am I to do to fix bugs? Suggests seems
+> like the only option. Furthermore, I've also added a gnome-screenshot
+> Suggests to gnome-shell.
+
+Again this is offtopic, a suggests will just not be present on install DVDs
+What'more, the logical place is task-gnome*, not gnome-shell.
+gnome-shell doesn't need this package, it works without.
+If the GNOME desktop needs it in order to work, then it should be required
+by task-gnome, not by another gnome-shell.
+
+> IMO mga#4903 was an avoidable bug. As bugs are discovered on resulting
+> dependency problems, I want to fix every case. To me it seems the wrong
+> way to deal with this, but I rather raise "-minimal" strangeness after
+> Mageia 2 release so I can point at the resulting bugs.
+
+Again my initial message is about that the suggested packages won't ever
+land on the install DVDs again.
+And we should stop bloating the net install with suggests at all the
+stages of the stack.
+I have to break many suggests (or requires for what matters) cycles that
+resulted in us having a minimal install of 800Mb with X11.
+
+Obviously gnome-shell doesn't need this package in order to run, so
+it should not be suggested by gnome-shell.
+If we want a better GNOME experience, it should be done in task-gnome.
+If some people objects bloating task-gnome*, disscuss with them
+instead of hidding those suggests lower in the statck...
+