[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

Mon Jun 4 21:21:14 CEST 2012

04.06.2012 22:08, Olav Vitters skrev:
+> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+>> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev:
+>>> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+>>
+>>>
+>>> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+>>>   gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+>>>   must not do, it is better to not respond.
+>>
+>> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
+> 
+> I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long
+> process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with
+
+Yep, but if we dont start the process, nothing happends either :)
+
+> me saying "I prefer"... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that
+> any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are
+> instructions on what Mageia should so.
+> 
+
+Nope, I didn't take it that way...
+
+I just pointed out that the  distro <-> DE symbiosis need to be
+considered from both POV.
+
+
+>>> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+>>
+>> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
+>> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
+>>
+>>> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+>>>   need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+>>>   should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+>>>   is long term and difficult.
+>>
+>> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
+>> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
+> 
+> Power I fully agree with.
+> 
+>> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
+>> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
+>> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
+>> and you are done.
+> 
+> Depends on who is giving the support.
+> 
+
+So true.
+
+>> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
+>> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
+> 
+> Indeed.
+> 
+>> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
+>> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
+> 
+> To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And
+> sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something
+> like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their
+> own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions,
+> just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly
+> with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it.
+> 
+
+Yep, wich is why stuff like packagekit is in the works, slowly
+progressing...
+
+> Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it
+> does.. nothing more.
+> 
+
+Same here,
+
+--
+
+Thomas
+