[Mageia-dev] [135989]

Thu Sep 1 01:46:17 CEST 2011

2011/8/31 Balcaen John <mikala at mageia.org>:
+> Le mercredi 31 août 2011 18:27:26, Zé a écrit :
+>> 2011/8/30 John Balcaen <mikala at mageia.org>:
+> [...]
+>> The changes i made in kdelibs, that binaries in kde are only for
+>> development so i moved them to devel package and were reverted.
+>> Like dmorgan said all coomits i do even if were good commits would be
+>> reverted if not reviewed by you, that was some he just invented and
+>> that i never agreed.
+>> And as we agreed, only important changes should be discussed like it
+>> happened with the improvemenet i was planing to do to Qt.
+>
+> The problem here is that *you* 're deciding own your own what is important to
+> discuss & what is not...
+>
+>> >> You were also who started doing all by own way, you didnt discuss with
+>> >> me anychanges, for example the changes you made in wiki.
+>> >> For example you add severall items to Golds section without discussing
+>> >> any, they should be first added as proposals so that could be first
+>> >> discussed in a meeing.
+>> >
+>> > Because thoses changes/proposal where *already* decided *before* you even
+>> > come to KDE, i simply wrote them down.
+>> > Of course that does not mean that we won't change the goal after, it is
+>> > not like it was written in the stone... it's a *wiki*...
+>>
+>> Thats not quite true, since for example i suggested that the lib
+>> packages could start being named only with a underscore instead
+>> dashes, and you acted like that was already decided, seams you were
+>> the only one who decided.
+> Maybe you can check how others librairies in others packages are named before
+> saying that i decided on my own to use  underscore...
+>
+>
+> [...]
+>
+>> I never acted like kde was mine, there were some commits i made in the
+>> begining but i remember we did had a conversation and i start
+>> discussing things,
+>> and as we agreeed discussing important things, as
+>> for the rest i think is preferable to just not comment...
+> So could you explain now why you still continue in this way by changing things
+> without asking...
+> But i guess it's not only for kde because i noticed you suddenly start
+> obsoleting kernel-firmware-extra without even asking to tmb if it was a good
+> solution...
+
+No, this was discussed in irc why i was needed to pull up
+kernel-firmware-extra again.
+
+> From your point of view again it was good enough so you did not take your time
+> to discuss with someone else at least with the kernel maintainer for this kind
+> of stuff
+> This *the* problem with you, you simply refuse to talk about your commits
+> because you are too confident with your changes...
+>
+>
+>
+> [...]
+>
+>> And again seams your putting words in my mouth, like i liked you to
+>> leave...
+>
+> What should i think then if you keep doing things when i'm not agree with ?
+>
+>> >> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we
+>> >> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability.
+>> >
+>> > I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're
+>> > okay to discuss your changes
+>> > before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private
+>> > email *TEST THEM* locally
+>> > by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the
+>> > documentation i used to create my
+>> > iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by
+>> > submitting it in the BS.
+>>
+>> Yes, i tend to agree that at that time you didnt had others
+>> contributing or that could have a more active role and that always
+>> never disagree of your ideas, and all was like you wanted, wrongly or
+>> not. As i remember for example fixing severall things wrong in qt
+>> spec, many existing requires(pre) when there wasnt any %pre section.
+> I'm quite sorry but the majority of my changes were discussed with others (aka
+> ahmad,ennael,coling & dmorgan) & some of them where also rejected by ennael
+> for example...
+> I also ask for specific help regarding packaging to dmorgan (since he's the rpm
+> maintainer)  but sometimes also ask help to my old mentor neoclust in mandriva
+> so no i did do changes for  my own satisfaction ....
+>
+>> > So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit
+>> > with your attitude.
+>> > Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes
+>> > you changed the behavior
+>> > simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a
+>> > patch on kdeutils (
+>> > http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeuti
+>> > ls4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478 ) to remove  a simple rm -rf in a spec.
+>> > Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you
+>> > submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the
+>> > spec ?
+>>
+>> Yes, thats the correct way to build kdeutils without printer_applet,
+>> not just removing files, but i think that patch will be submited
+>> upstream.
+>
+> Maybe you did not read me...
+> I strictly did not write or say that thoses changes were wrong, but that it
+> was not discussed at all *even* if they are correct because from what i just
+> read you did not submit the patch upstream...
+> Again it's because you think it's the right thing to do you're doing it
+> without even discussing it with me at least...
+
+But i really do not get this, you only picj with the few commits i
+did, why you havent point all others undiscussed commits?
+And this wasnt discussed mainly due to your actions and the things you
+said along with dmorgan.
+I never heard you discussing any, and im already here for some time.
+
+>>
+>> That was already done after you started with that behaviour, but i
+>> also never see you discussing any change you made.
+>> Thats true, you never discuss any change, at least i never saw it.
+>> If theres a kde team, you and all kde members should discuss things,
+>> and maybe reach some agreement about whats really important to
+>> discuss, if dicuss all or just discuss more important changes, since
+>> discussing all can also delays development.
+>
+> because you're not always around in #mageia-kde or #mageia-dev...
+> I did asked you to join first this channel if you want to join/help on #mageia-
+> kde, didn't i ?
+
+Yes and i did join those channels.
+
+> I'm exchanging mails with luc & dmorgan...
+> When i did somes changes in mageia-theme package, there was first a bug report
+> for having mageia theme available in KDE even if i was able to simply commit
+> in svn i first report the patch for the spec in the bugzilla, and i asked
+> ennael's opinion about this when it was just a *minor* stuff affecting only
+> *kde* where i'm the maintainer... That's how i work in a team & this only what
+> i need you to do and asked you already to do but you're still refusing it
+> arguing that « only » important changes should be done when you're the only
+> one to decide what is important & what is not... That's the problem & only one
+> problem i've got with you but you still do not understand i guess & refuse to
+> comply to my suggestions...
+>
+> Anyway it seems we won't be able to resolve this either in private or in
+> public and i *really* doubt i will be able to work with you since we're not
+> agree at all about commit's stuff..
+> There's also the fact that others peoples on the mailing list should not be
+> affected by thoses dicusssions so it ends here for me.
+> I'll wait for the discussion with you and ennael to put a definitive end on
+> this.
+
+The main point here was how your attitude changed from a certain day.
+You started rising tone everytime i didnt agree, like you owned kde
+and i was forced to follow your ideas.
+Even with Qt you were already against when i didnt said how i was
+planing to disable webkit, and remember that until this point i always
+discucsed things.
+
+For the rest i dont think worth comment, you must remember i always
+talked with you untill you started rising your tone and dmorgan
+appearing and done things and using his sysadmin hat like he used to
+say.
+
+Like i suggested in the last thread we should have a meeting to talk
+all about this, so that we could reach a consensus but so far you only
+have been repeating things in ML's and bashing instead we could all
+talk and not call dmorgen to do this or that, you havent listen
+nothing of what i asked.
+And i only came today answer to things you have said since i saw it
+was too much, but you keep insisting instead talking like i have
+*severall* times asked.
+Please listen, i dont want to fight or bash no one, could we set a
+meeting to finally talk and stop with this?
+
+It would much more productive if we could all use our efforts to
+develop instead other things.
+-- 
+Zé
+