[Mageia-dev] [135989]

Thu Sep 1 00:16:21 CEST 2011

Le mercredi 31 août 2011 18:27:26, Zé a écrit :
+> 2011/8/30 John Balcaen <mikala at mageia.org>:
+[...]
+> The changes i made in kdelibs, that binaries in kde are only for
+> development so i moved them to devel package and were reverted.
+> Like dmorgan said all coomits i do even if were good commits would be
+> reverted if not reviewed by you, that was some he just invented and
+> that i never agreed.
+> And as we agreed, only important changes should be discussed like it
+> happened with the improvemenet i was planing to do to Qt.
+
+The problem here is that *you* 're deciding own your own what is important to 
+discuss & what is not...
+
+> >> You were also who started doing all by own way, you didnt discuss with
+> >> me anychanges, for example the changes you made in wiki.
+> >> For example you add severall items to Golds section without discussing
+> >> any, they should be first added as proposals so that could be first
+> >> discussed in a meeing.
+> > 
+> > Because thoses changes/proposal where *already* decided *before* you even
+> > come to KDE, i simply wrote them down.
+> > Of course that does not mean that we won't change the goal after, it is
+> > not like it was written in the stone... it's a *wiki*...
+> 
+> Thats not quite true, since for example i suggested that the lib
+> packages could start being named only with a underscore instead
+> dashes, and you acted like that was already decided, seams you were
+> the only one who decided.
+Maybe you can check how others librairies in others packages are named before 
+saying that i decided on my own to use  underscore...
+
+
+[...]
+ 
+> I never acted like kde was mine, there were some commits i made in the
+> begining but i remember we did had a conversation and i start
+> discussing things, 
+> and as we agreeed discussing important things, as
+> for the rest i think is preferable to just not comment...
+So could you explain now why you still continue in this way by changing things 
+without asking...
+But i guess it's not only for kde because i noticed you suddenly start 
+obsoleting kernel-firmware-extra without even asking to tmb if it was a good 
+solution...
+From your point of view again it was good enough so you did not take your time 
+to discuss with someone else at least with the kernel maintainer for this kind 
+of stuff
+This *the* problem with you, you simply refuse to talk about your commits 
+because you are too confident with your changes...
+
+
+
+[...]
+
+> And again seams your putting words in my mouth, like i liked you to
+> leave...
+
+What should i think then if you keep doing things when i'm not agree with ?
+
+> >> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we
+> >> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability.
+> > 
+> > I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're
+> > okay to discuss your changes
+> > before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private
+> > email *TEST THEM* locally
+> > by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the
+> > documentation i used to create my
+> > iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by
+> > submitting it in the BS.
+> 
+> Yes, i tend to agree that at that time you didnt had others
+> contributing or that could have a more active role and that always
+> never disagree of your ideas, and all was like you wanted, wrongly or
+> not. As i remember for example fixing severall things wrong in qt
+> spec, many existing requires(pre) when there wasnt any %pre section.
+I'm quite sorry but the majority of my changes were discussed with others (aka 
+ahmad,ennael,coling & dmorgan) & some of them where also rejected by ennael 
+for example...
+I also ask for specific help regarding packaging to dmorgan (since he's the rpm 
+maintainer)  but sometimes also ask help to my old mentor neoclust in mandriva 
+so no i did do changes for  my own satisfaction ....
+
+> > So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit
+> > with your attitude.
+> > Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes
+> > you changed the behavior
+> > simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a
+> > patch on kdeutils (
+> > http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeuti
+> > ls4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478 ) to remove  a simple rm -rf in a spec.
+> > Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you
+> > submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the
+> > spec ?
+> 
+> Yes, thats the correct way to build kdeutils without printer_applet,
+> not just removing files, but i think that patch will be submited
+> upstream.
+
+Maybe you did not read me...
+I strictly did not write or say that thoses changes were wrong, but that it 
+was not discussed at all *even* if they are correct because from what i just 
+read you did not submit the patch upstream...
+Again it's because you think it's the right thing to do you're doing it 
+without even discussing it with me at least...
+
+> 
+> That was already done after you started with that behaviour, but i
+> also never see you discussing any change you made.
+> Thats true, you never discuss any change, at least i never saw it.
+> If theres a kde team, you and all kde members should discuss things,
+> and maybe reach some agreement about whats really important to
+> discuss, if dicuss all or just discuss more important changes, since
+> discussing all can also delays development.
+
+because you're not always around in #mageia-kde or #mageia-dev...
+I did asked you to join first this channel if you want to join/help on #mageia-
+kde, didn't i ?
+I'm exchanging mails with luc & dmorgan...
+When i did somes changes in mageia-theme package, there was first a bug report 
+for having mageia theme available in KDE even if i was able to simply commit 
+in svn i first report the patch for the spec in the bugzilla, and i asked 
+ennael's opinion about this when it was just a *minor* stuff affecting only 
+*kde* where i'm the maintainer... That's how i work in a team & this only what 
+i need you to do and asked you already to do but you're still refusing it 
+arguing that « only » important changes should be done when you're the only 
+one to decide what is important & what is not... That's the problem & only one 
+problem i've got with you but you still do not understand i guess & refuse to 
+comply to my suggestions...
+
+Anyway it seems we won't be able to resolve this either in private or in 
+public and i *really* doubt i will be able to work with you since we're not 
+agree at all about commit's stuff..
+There's also the fact that others peoples on the mailing list should not be 
+affected by thoses dicusssions so it ends here for me.
+I'll wait for the discussion with you and ennael to put a definitive end on 
+this.
+
+Regards,
+
+
+P.S: sorry again for this last mail.
+ 
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-ID: mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net
+