[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

Sat Oct 29 22:13:35 CEST 2011

30.10.2011 01:16, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+>>
+>> Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
+>
+> There is quite serious talk about deprecating /lib, /bin and /sbin and
+> basically anything that is not in /usr (with exceptions for /home /root,
+> /etc and a few others). Of course there are various flames about this
+> idea (earth will collapse into sun etc.) but it's actually surprisingly
+> well received thus far IMO.
+>
+> Also, keep in mind that you're talking about moving a *lot* to / here...
+> all the PCI/USB databases, all the udev setup, any application that udev
+> might run in it's rules.... I won't reiterate what is written in the
+
+So?
+it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
+
+> link Olav already provided, but suffice to say the problem is neither
+> new, not specific to systemd. It's just being highlighted by systemd.
+> Please keep this in mind when commenting on this topic.
+>
+
+Interesting on how people think "systemd is the solution to everything",
+and cant accept complaints when is screws up working systems....
+
+It's pretty much like Apple fans and their love for iCrap
+
+>>>> That's just plain idiotic.
+>>> I somewhat agree. But even Fedora is suggesting not to have separate
+>>> /usr :(
+>>>
+>>
+>> That does not make it less idiotic. IIRC they employ the systemd creator
+>> so...
+>
+> But that doesn't make the idea any more or less idiotic.
+>
+> The reasons stated (and this discussion happened many months ago) are
+> all well understood and documented in the link provided by Olav.
+>
+> It is NOT a systemd problem. It's a problem we have RIGHT NOW too, it's
+> just that most setups are easy enough to work around by waiting and
+> doing this sequentially which slows down the whole boot process. We've
+> solved similar problems in the past by moving things to /lib but it's
+> just a sticking plaster, not a real fix.
+>
+
+What's the difference of moving stuff to /lib as compared moving all of 
+/usr into / besides bloating /
+
+And by chasing seconds in bootup you screw those who want to finetune
+their systems. Thats a regression.
+
+For those  people that are so concerned about bootup times, why dont 
+they buy new hw, use fast ssd and learn how to suspend to ram/resume ...
+
+
+> If you have constructive criticism as to the reasons why this is now
+> warned about specifically in systemd, then this is perfectly valid but
+> should be done in context rather than simply calling it "idiotic"
+> without any further clarification.
+>
+
+Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+finetune systems.
+
+> And systemd is not saying that /usr cannot be on a separate partition.
+> It's just saying that it cannot realistically be the job of the init
+> system to mount it, it has to be handled at early boot in the initramfs,
+> not by init. The reasons why this is the case are documented very clearly.
+
+So by this reasoning we should stuff everything we can into initramfs,
+and not care of partitioning / mount points at all.
+
+--
+Thomas
+