[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

Sun Jul 3 12:23:04 CEST 2011

Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 03:02:24, andre999 a écrit :
+> Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
+> > Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
+> >> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a écrit :
+> >>> nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> >>>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+> [...]
+> 
+> >>>>> Would something like coord at pmentoring.mageia.org be Ok ?
+> >>>> 
+> >>>> No, foo at group.mageia.org with foo replaced by the group name.
+> >>>> 
+> >>>>> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+> >>>>> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+> >>>>> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+> >>>>> it ?
+> >>>> 
+> >>>> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+> >>>> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+> >>> 
+> >>> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+> >>> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+> >>> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our
+> >>> packages_mentoring wiki page.  (Which will be ready in the next few
+> >>> days.)
+> >>> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+> >>> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest.  We wouldn't want
+> >>> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+> >>> public mailing list.
+> >>> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+> >>> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+> >>> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+> >> 
+> >> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+> >> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+> >> 
+> >> What you need is
+> >> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+> >> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people
+> >> too if some want to join the discussion
+> >> 
+> >> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+> >> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+> >> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+> >> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+> > 
+> > That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but
+> > only as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
+> > discussion about specific persons.
+> 
+> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+> alert the others to ensure a fast response.  And they could always help
+> out if they wanted.
+> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+> 
+> Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
+> contact as well.
+> (We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
+> temporary.  Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly
+> coordination among ourselves.)
+> 
+> Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
+> (And I'm sure the others would agree.)
+> 
+> >> For 2), I don't know what is better :
+> >> - use an existing mailing list
+> >> - create a new one
+> 
+> mageia-dev seems good.  We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a
+> time.
+> 
+> >> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+> >> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+> >> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+> >> for wanting a private mailing list ?
+> 
+> Agree totally.  No need.
+> 
+> So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
+> (Say pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org ?)
+> And no need to add a mailing list.
+
+This e-mail seems complicated. What about packager-mentoring at group.mageia.org 
+?
+
+Samuel
+