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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Dec 30 12:56:27 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>30.12.2011 02:25, David Walser skrev:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 29.12.2011 22:39, David Walser skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a reference for this issue?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471</A> or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it's exactly that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the free DVD does not contain anything from nonfree, so radeon fails to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> load until the firmware gets installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we are trying to solve this issue cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing I'm working on is a separate firmware iso to burn (or put
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contents on usb stick) to satisfy this need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The other option for radeon users is to install using livecds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I want to make sure I understand you correctly, as I'm planning to upgrade a MDV 2010.2 machine with a Radeon HD 4650 to Mageia 1 tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The referenced bug makes it sound like the installer works fine, but since it doesn't have access to the nonfree firmware, the initrds it
+</I>&gt;<i> generates in the bootloader installation part doesn't contain them, so booting the installed system is problematic if you don't do
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon.modeset=0.
+</I>
+
+This is correct.
+
+The other option on Mageia 1 is to do a online upgrade, and it will pull 
+the needed firmwares from nonfree during install.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Listening to you in this thread I'm getting worried DrakX itself may not work without access to the firmware.  Did I misread you?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+DrakX/installer will work as it does not rely on hw specific drivers, as 
+it runs in framebuffer mode.
+
+The point of fixing stage2 is that when installer detects hw that needs 
+firmware from nonfree, it should notify the user and ask if he/she wants
+to install it, either from an additional media or from online repos.
+
+The problem with upcoming radeon hw, is that it wont work with 
+radeon.modeset=0 as the only supported mode is KMS.
+
+I'm also looking into have the radeon driver refuse to load if it does
+not find its firmware, and maybe instead load vesa. But no ETA on that part.
+
+--
+Thomas
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