[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1

Sat Dec 17 12:34:21 CET 2011

Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 11:58:31 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+> 2011/12/17 Florian Hubold <doktor5000 at arcor.de>:
+> > Am 17.12.2011 11:26, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+> >> 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik <sander.lepik at eesti.ee>:
+> >>> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+> >>>> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it
+> >>>> is mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
+> >>> 
+> >>> People will get used to it rather fast.
+> >> 
+> >> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+> >> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+> >> change a grown habit which is like the "Red = Stop!" paradigma? I'm
+> >> thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+> >> having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+> >> I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+> >> - ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+> >> Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
+> >> 
+> >> So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+> >> justifies such a strong change?
+> > 
+> > Well, maybe you haven't heard of the related problems yet:
+> > https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes
+> 
+> Of course I read that part of the Errata but did not relate it to the
+> matter of this thread - how could I as a non-developer? The relation
+> has not been mentioned in the errata.
+> 
+> As I wrote in my first mail I am not really against this change if
+> there is a reason. There seems to be a reason (as you say), so it's
+> ok. But still I think all open questions (especially the one about the
+> situation of a crashing or failing x server) need to be addressed
+> before the change is made in cauldron to be tested by a broader
+> userbase. And I still think it needs to be announced all over the
+> place when the change will be implemented.
+
+it does need to be announced all over the place.
+
+> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+> documentations (even in the generic books about "Learning Linux"), a
+> standard like the SAA menue standard ("File" on the left, "Help" on
+> the right) or the "F1 opens Help" standard. Therefore changing this is
+> a bit more than usual changes between versions.
+
+well, that may be true, but not anymore on all distros and during installation 
+times not anymore as well...
+
+if we get such a dynamic scheme, that would be nice. but that will likely only 
+work on systemd... what about sysvinit? it was still supposed to be the 
+default for mga2 ...
+
+but we can test, and work on that... if it doesn't work with sysvinit 
+properly, i still vote for returning to F7 ... but we can change that for beta 
+release...
+