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RVM (Ruby version manager) +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> From what I know, that would likely mean compiling our own ruby version +</I>><i> >>> on the server, using its own separate set of gems. [...] +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> What's the possible alternative? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > By using RVM, we won't need a chroot environment for gem installation +</I>><i> > as installation can be done in a user's account. +</I>><i> > Consequent gem installations don't need sudo permission and are +</I>><i> > installed on user's account. +</I> +You do install a self compiled separate ruby in a separate prefix, with +a separate set of gems in a different prefix. If the only difference +with a chroot is that you do not need to use "chroot", then there isn't +much difference to me, and then my point was not clear enough. + +><i> Something tells me that misc won't find this a consolation. :-p +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Misc, if in the end, hosting a rails stack does make things less +</I>><i> consistent than with other stacks, we may as well set up a host on a +</I>><i> Gandi server and dedicate it (package management and security +</I>><i> mgmt-wise to the rails stack). +</I> +How would that making it more consistent ? +Moreover, dedicating a vm just mean one more server to handle, that's +hardly can be counted as "less work". + + +><i> I'm not saying this should be this way but that would be an option to consider. +</I> +I do think people do not really understand what I am saying, despite me +asking to 2 set people to read my mail twice. + +Hosting this on alamut ( our shared application server ) or on a gandi +server is the same, we would a different set of non integrated packages. + +Non integrated because that use a totally different system ( ie gem/rvm +vs rpm/urpmi ) with totally different versions ( ie, defined by coders +instead of the one agreed when we decided to use the distribution ), +totally different update mechanism, and with different requirements. + +And those gems would need to be taken care like we do for package since +they are packages. Except we would be on out own. No people to make sure +they work together ( as upstream developers usually do not care at all, +ask shikamaru about the gitorious rpm in cooker and some rpm requiring +older version, and some not ), no people to make sure that security +update occurs with minimal change ( usually that "let's pack all changes +together", which result in more version update than required, with code +changes ). + + +Another option that I consider would be to use another stack. Nanar +already told me that he would be able to do it quite fast in catalyst, +and I consider myself being able to do it in django without much problem +if I dedicate enough time ( I am quite rusty but for a simple CRUD +application, it would be quite ok ). + +><i> > Just as a note dreamhost updated all their servers to 3.0.3 and +</I>><i> > RubyGems 1.3..6 in a matter of few weeks, and although I don't know if +</I>><i> > they had problems, I'm sure that they are security conscious about +</I>><i> > their servers as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There's no question about it. But Dreamhost is a business, moreover, a +</I>><i> hosting business so they can dedicate way more people/servers about it +</I>><i> than us, at this time. +</I> +And well, the equivalent with dreamhost would be you to ask them to keep +a custom or old version of rails just for you. I am not sure they would +say "yes". + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-webteam] Initial hosting requirements for maintainers db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000138.html">[Mageia-webteam] Initial hosting requirements for maintainers db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-webteam">More information about the Mageia-webteam +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |