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Would it not be better to find out why this +</I>><i> >> does not work and try to fix that? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Each discussion quickly move to personal attacks and fights to point out +</I>><i> > who is responsible for all the problems, and I'm really tired of those +</I>><i> > discussions and bad atmosphere, and I think we've wasted enough time +</I>><i> > with this since the begining of the project. So if it's imposible to +</I>><i> > discuss, I think the best solution is to move forums setup outside +</I>><i> > sysadmin team, so that there is no need to discuss anymore. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, this issue has a history of wrong behavior and misunderstandings, +</I>><i> I am a part of it as everybody else. Unfortunately it is also a +</I>><i> history of individual responsibility, not a system error. But since +</I>><i> when is this a reason to forget about a good solution at all? Moreso +</I>><i> if the proposed second choice is a very bad choice? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A forum is the main communication platform between makers and users - +</I>><i> even if you don't like forums. Each and every large popular project I +</I>><i> have visited during the last 10 years has a forum on their website. +</I>><i> Surely users will find a forum outside of the Mageia web family, but +</I>><i> what an impression will give that to them, regarding Mageia as a +</I>><i> project which relies on the cooperation and contribution of the users? +</I> +I never said forums are not useful, or that I didn't like forums. And +the proposal is not to drop them, but only remove this task from +sysadmin team, because current organisation doesn't work. + +And having external forums is not unusual for a project. Go to +<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/,">http://fedoraproject.org/,</A> click on "Forums" and you're on +<A HREF="http://www.fedoraforum.org/">http://www.fedoraforum.org/</A> where you can read : +"FedoraForum.org is privately owned and is not directly sponsored by the +Fedora Project or Red Hat, Inc." + +If you go to <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/support,">http://www.debian.org/support,</A> you'll find links to +debianHELP forum, and Debian User Forums, with both not managed by +debian sysadmin team (so they are not on debian.org domain). + +><i> +</I>><i> IMHO an "outsourcing" of the forum is a no-go. And I'm still not +</I>><i> convinced that the simple sysadmin<->forum sysadmin scheme is not +</I>><i> possible. +</I> +I think I've already wasted far too much time on this to be convinced +that it's time to stop. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004751.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Migration of the forums +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004730.html">[Mageia-sysadm] puppet patch for custom 404 for www +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4752">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4752">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4752">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4752">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |