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(such as could be +</I>><i> webteam@, secteam@, commteam@, etc.? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would find this more descriptive as to the purpose/role of the list +</I>><i> (team list) than just qa@, web@, security@ which would be, in turn, +</I>><i> more descriptive of a contact email address. +</I> +I would also find more descriptive the purpose rather than the group +name. For example, -dev instead of packagersteam@, ie focused on +activity ( developping ) rather than the team naming ( packagers ). This +would be imho be clearer if we want to foster cross team activities. + +><i> Or maybe <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">qa-team at ml.mageia.org</A> then? +</I> +But we do have <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">foo at group.mageia.org</A> for that, to send a email to the +ldap group mga-foo ( which is used to define a team so far for all +others teams ). We could also use team.mageia.org ( but that would make +thing more complex as not not all groups are a team ). + +I think we can all agree that the canonical list of member of a team is +in a ldap group for all teams ( because that's what we did so far for +web application integration, catdap integration, sympa integration, +epoll integration, etc ). + +So if the qa team is the list of people in the ldap group mga-qa, +it is confusing to refer to a 2nd group ( the list of people who +subscribed to the ml, and who would be ) as qateam. + + +><i> (yes, it comes out too from years of practice of this naming scheme at +</I>><i> Mandriva where, well, these were internal list names/aliases - but +</I>><i> here it would be public as team's lists are :-p ). +</I> +On mandriva qateam alias/ml, who was behind ? + +While I was not here so I am maybe wrong, I suspect the aliases matched +exactly the internal organisation. + +Here, I do not know exactly because Damien ask for a public list, and to +me that mean a list were anybody can subscribe and post, but maybe he +mean a list that anybody can read ( something like council ). + +So in the hypothesis that the list is not restricted to members of the +team, the name would be misleading. + +If the list is restricted, i think we would need a unrestricted list. +( hence another name would be chose ). + + +I would also add that it seems that people on the wiki +( <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qateam">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qateam</A> ) have a different view of +QA than what is written as a description ( and the purpose is the same +as others team like debian one <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/">http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/</A> +and ubuntu <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/</A> ). + +And the ratio of people saying "automation tool" vs "test packages" on +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qateam">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qateam</A> is quite clear ( 1 people for +automation, 53 for "testing" ). + +So while the plan for qateam is also to do automation ( and I have been +working on making easy to install virtual machines also for that this +night ), I think that most people on the wiki page are here to do tests. + + +Moreover, those historically interested in QA ( such as me see +<A HREF="http://www.zarb.org/~misc/slides/cooker.sxi,">http://www.zarb.org/~misc/slides/cooker.sxi,</A> nanar, pterjan, etc ) will +likely discuss the matter either on -dev ( for feedback on technical +level ) and then on -sysadmin ( for deployment ). I do not think a 3rd +list would bring much. + + +So maybe the list name should reflect more closely the activity ? +Something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">distribution-testers at ml</A> ( or a shorter name like +distro-test@ ) would be a more suitable ? + +I add distribution because if we decide to do more than a distribution, +this would be clearer in the long run. + +Maybe I am also thinking too much of course. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003230.html">[Mageia-sysadm] ML request for QAteam +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003232.html">[Mageia-sysadm] ML request for QAteam +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3231">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3231">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3231">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3231">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |