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Giving an email address +</I>><i> > > > contact is not a loss of privacy. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > It depend to who you give it. And given +</I>><i> > > <A HREF="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privacy">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privacy</A> , I think it can be +</I>><i> > > qualified to be, yes. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > So while some people do not see problem with this, some others do, and +</I>><i> > > we should listen to their wishes. After a quick check, there is around +</I>><i> > > 10 people out of 250 in the directory with obviously fake names ( cause +</I>><i> > > I think no one is called "palm pre" ). +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Some people may have very good reasons to not wanting to give their real +</I>><i> > > name or email address. I know several companies where the manager is ok +</I>><i> > > to send stuff upstream, but do not the name of the company to be +</I>><i> > > mentioned ( for example some divisions of France Telecom do this and +</I>><i> > > there is also some rumors about Trolltech doing the same before Nokia +</I>><i> > > era ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I think that's not a problem here. We're not checking ID of people who +</I>><i> > create accounts, so they can use the name they want to be called. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not yet. What about the day someone will propose to use gpg and the web +</I>><i> of trust ( who is currently based on checking ID card ) for some stuff ? +</I> +If we decide one day that we require signed gpg key, then we can discuss +that day the details of what kind of signatures we require. Today we +don't require anything like this. But it's possible to sign key without +checking ID card. GPG signature doesn't necessarily mean "this personn +has this official name", it can also mean "this is the real owner of +this email, and owner of this non-official name". + +><i> +</I>><i> > They are also not forced to use their work email, they can create an email +</I>><i> > just for this. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So I don't know what the problem is exactly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If the argument is "if people do not like giving informations, they can +</I>><i> simply not tell the truth", yes I see this as a problem, because we are +</I>><i> quite inconsistent. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On identity.m.o, we do ask : +</I>><i> - login +</I>><i> - email +</I>><i> - personal information +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Login is obviously required. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For email, yes, we need to have one, that's a technical requirement on +</I>><i> this part, we cannot do much, except clearly telling to people what it +</I>><i> would be used for, if they can use a trash email or not, etc, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Problem is asking for Last name/First name. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Identity.m.o will be used almost everywhere, like for example on the +</I>><i> forum. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some people may find invasive to give Last name/First name especially +</I>><i> for posting on a forum when compared to all others ( I checked several +</I>><i> french forums, none requires giving anything except a email and a +</I>><i> login ). +</I> +Many forums require a username, and a display name. If you open an +account on linuxfr for instance, you need to enter a login name, and a +full name (which doesn't have to be your real name). And I think most +people on linuxfr don't use their real name, and they see no problem +being asked a full name. On almost all websites I know where users can +post messages, they are asked both a login name (which is sometime the +same as the email) and a display name. + +Even when you setup an email account, most email software will ask you +to enter a full name. If sending an email without a full name, I think +I remember that spamassassin will flag it as spam. + +><i> +</I>><i> So either we care about having this information ( for example for legal +</I>><i> reasons ) and in this case, this must be clearly explained, and then we +</I>><i> may have to be more stringent depending on requirements. In this case, +</I>><i> we cannot say "you can enter what you want". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or we do not care about the personal information, then it should also be +</I>><i> clear. And I see no clearer way to say "this is not required" that not +</I>><i> requiring it upon creation of the account. +</I> +The problem is that many software, like bugzilla, forums, or rpm changelogs +require a login name (only one word without spaces) or email, and a +display name. I see no use to waste time to patch all those software to +add a special case (adding more complexity and more bugs) for the user +who doesn't want to set any display name, when a simple solution is to +simply set a name that is not your real name, if you want to hide your +real name. + +><i> +</I>><i> IMHO, we should not adopt the sloppy practice of others websites of +</I>><i> saying so mandatory when this is not. +</I> +It is not a "sloppy practice". It is that a login name is not very nice +to display, so a full name is asked. + +><i> +</I>><i> Telling to users to workaround this by giving incorrect information do +</I>><i> not seems like a very good way to show we care about people. +</I> +It is not giving incorrect information, it is giving the name the user +wants to be called. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003002.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [RPM] cauldron core/release tagtool-0.12.3-2.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003005.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [RPM] cauldron core/release tagtool-0.12.3-2.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3003">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3003">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3003">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3003">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |