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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+ <I>Fri Feb 11 10:27:25 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:33, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 11 f&#233;vrier 2011 00:32:55, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 23:26 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Has the concept of &quot;founders&quot; still a meaning now that we have a board
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and team council representatives ? I thought the &quot;founders&quot; were only a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; temporary group meant to let place to the council and the board.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to statutes, yes :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See article 6.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And according to Article 12, the founders are part of the assembly, no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matter their statutes ( from my understanding ). This is not clear if a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> founder moved to the status of honor member ( article 6, again ) must be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> present to the assembly or not.
+</I>
+No must here. When one moves to the honor member, she gets to a
+consultative voice and her presence is not required, neither counted,
+in assemblies. It does not matter whether she was a founding member or
+not.
+
+&gt;<i> Except if there is a legal reason for that, I don' understand why there's such
+</I>&gt;<i> a distinction between founder members and active members. To me, this is
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly the same thing, the founders being just the first active members.
+</I>
+Yes. Just a grain of salt. There are two views at least:
+ - the historical/archived one; although it's not a matter of
+misplaced pride, it matters to know who started the whole thing (not
+because others could not, but because it's how things happened);
+rather a honorific title or historical one, nothing much more;
+ - the practical one; founder members are the first active members of
+the association and were, without much plan first, the first council;
+other than that, they have no specific, unique role within the
+association and the project.
+
+If there were two groups in ldap &quot;founders&quot; and &quot;active members&quot;,
+founders people would belong to both, that's all. Now, is that useful
+to store it in LDAP, I don't know, but it does not harm much I guess.
+
+&gt;<i> Now that I read the statuses, I see that in pratice, founders have no different
+</I>&gt;<i> practical role than active members. Then I still maintain I don't see what the
+</I>&gt;<i> distinction between founders and active members is for.
+</I>
+I would say, for archives only.
+
+It doesn't provide more authority as time goes by (especially as the
+Council grows more and more out of team representatives instead of
+only past founders and as some active members, founders included, move
+to something else).
+
+(Indeed, this could be said in an other list, provided statutes were
+not understood that way)
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+Romain
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