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This would reduce the need to parse at the start all +hdlist, and would be as fast as urpmi. + +><i> 2) Even with that behaviour, we WILL STILL FAILL on some machines +</I>><i> if user has eg DVD media but not full network media +</I>><i> and thus some packages may still be missing from DVD +</I> +That's quite unavoidable, if we add a dependencie, we cannot take in +account the fact that some people will just have the dvd. If I add a +dependencie on texlive, should we copy texlive to update ? that would be +wasteful. +Should we take the fact that some people just have the one, and so do +not have any network source, nor dvd, and copy everything ? + +And where is the tool to check that, should we place extra burdain to +sysadmin/qa/dev just for that ? + +><i> 3) Fred Lepied, Frederic Crozat & Warly have decided to remove +</I>><i> all code that was adding full media and the like, checking for +</I>><i> missing media, ... b/c of that +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4) we wouldn't cover people not upgrading mgaonline first +</I> +That would be temporary problem, once the upgrade is done, this would no +longer cause issue. While the popup is annoying, the system of people +didn't stopped working, no data have been lost. + +><i> 5) we know for a fact that copying new requires works smoothly +</I>><i> vs a new procedure to test +</I> +the new procedure would just be the same as "using urpmi to upgrade", so +that would reduce the number of thing to tell to people. + +><i> As we are talking about an already product, I would go +</I>><i> to the known to work way... +</I> +And not fix it properly, like it was not fixed for the previous year, +and not document anything ? + +Copying stuff to updates is error prone, take ressource for everybody by +duplicating rpm and wasting time to generate hdlist ( because each rpm +needlessly take space and cpu time for hdlist ). + +><i> I don't think that's the right moment to reinvent a new way to +</I>><i> do updates when we already know one. +</I> +Sure, so when is the right moment ? Given that no one cared for the +previous years, I would say that "no moment is the right one", despites +clear problems. So this moment seems as good as the others. + +For pratical reasons, I would concede to use the copy method for mageia +1, temporary. And to fix for mageia 2, without exception, if no one fix +mga update in the 8 remaining months we have, then we have a bigger +problem. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003881.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Decision needed on mgaapplet and adding Requires. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003853.html">[Mageia-sysadm] http://check.mageia.org/updates.html hasn't been updated for 2 days +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3882">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3882">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3882">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3882">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |