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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 avril 2011 &#224; 19:44 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was some discussions at last council meeting about making ARM an
+</I>&gt;<i> official port, and adding ARM machines in the build system :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2011/mageia-meeting.2011-03-28-18.33.log.html#l-381">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2011/mageia-meeting.2011-03-28-18.33.log.html#l-381</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rtp has been working on a Mageia ARM port for some time, and I think he
+</I>&gt;<i> plans to have something useable soon, maybe for Mageia 1st release.
+</I>&gt;<i> After asking to rtp, a machine we could use for building packages on
+</I>&gt;<i> ARM is OpenRD :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=9">http://newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=9</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> It costs around &#163;203.00 or 230 euros (+ shipping). So I think that's not
+</I>&gt;<i> very expensive.
+</I>
+I still do have a pandaboard available. It just take that someone in
+Paris fetch it and to decide where we place it ( and a case around it
+would be nicer, and there is nothing to run on it yet ).
+
+&gt;<i> However, this machine is a lot slower than the x86_64 build servers we
+</I>&gt;<i> have, so building big packages like LibreOffice will take much more
+</I>&gt;<i> time. And if we don't want to slow down all the buildsystem, maybe we
+</I>&gt;<i> should make the successufl ARM build not mandatory to upload packages on
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64 and i586. So this require some changes in the BS. But I think
+</I>&gt;<i> it's something that can be done.
+</I>
+That for sure something we can do, but then we should also give us
+objectives to fullfill ( like &quot;we should strive to have a synced
+release&quot; ) and also objectives in term of hardware to one day make them
+in sync.
+
+Moreover if this is not mandatory, don't you fear that the arch will be
+too much out of sync ( as this was the case for ppc/sparc in the
+past ) ?
+I would also be concerned about the way we manage freeze if the arch is
+late, and the complexity that will occurs.
+
+
+Also what about stuff like :
+- remote shell access ( if there is a arch dependent bugs )
+- various tests ( automated rebuild, youri, etc )
+
+For remote shell access, we could offer VMs for that, but I can hear rtp
+screaming as I type this email :).
+In fact, the same could be said about rebuilded, but I do not know how
+good is the emulation of arm using qemu.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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