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So either we +remove postfix from the class default_mageia_server, or we use another +MTA. I have added small configuration for ssmtp, but this doesn't +satisfy me ( because postfix is indeed doing well ). So if someone has a +idea, do not hesitate. I have tried various thing with tags, etc. + +Layout : +-------- + +sympa will be installed on alamut, and postfix ( as primary smtp ) will +be on alamut and krampouiz, as secondary server. + +sympa web interface will be on alamut, on <A HREF="http://ml.mageia.org.">http://ml.mageia.org.</A> We need +to find a ay to force ssl for authenticated request. Simplest would be +to put force ssl by default, but maybe that's + + +Puppet type, and ml type : +-------------------------- +I have written a simple puppet type for sympa ml ( not yet committed ), +but there is only basic settings of mailling list ( ie, subject, +profile, language, name ) and it just take care of the initial creation. +I do not expect us needing anything else than theses profiles : + +- announce ml ( free to subscribe, no one post except few account ) +=> announce, changelog, svn commit, bugs + +- discussion ml ( free to subscribe, everybody can post ) +=> anything else + +- restricted ml ( restricted subscribe, maybe ldap based, restricted +archive, only subscribers can post ) ( or maybe anybody can post ). +=> contact@ press@ + +- non archived ml ( free to subscribe, restricted archive ) +=> blog comments. + +And I also do not expect us to change various settings on a per-list +basis ( like digest or not, password reminder or not, etc ). But I may +be wrong, so if you think there is a type of list that would not fall in +any of this, just propose them. Or a setting that would need to be +tweaked, see +<A HREF="http://www.sympa.org/manual_6.0/list-parameters#list_configuration_parameters">http://www.sympa.org/manual_6.0/list-parameters#list_configuration_parameters</A> for the list. + +The only issue is owners, and moderation. A group of ml moderator is +planned, but nothing is done yet. So once we have that team, I propose +we use ldap to get their names/email, and set the owner on sysadmin +group, using ldap. + +This mean that we will need to create a new group mga-ml_moderators, +something like that. + +And that, in the mean time, we share the load of moderating ( mostly hit +delete, delete, delete for spam ). + +Migration +---------- + +- in order to migrate people from zarb.org mls, we will need to have +them subscribed to catdap. But the software is still in beta for now. As +said in the meeting, I will try to work a little on it with Olivier T. I +also expect that we will need to ask people to subscribe, and then open +the gate of each mls. + +- migration of archives would requires to migrate the website as well. +So this will be deferred until this happens. But that's static html, so +nothing fancy or complex ( we can even do some proxying ). + +List policy creation +--------------------- + +I am not keen on adding bureaucracy for nothing, but I do not think we +should open ml without good reasons. Too much ml will be a mess, and +requires more work from us. So for this, some kind of guidelines should +be written. And someone need to do it, ask the others in the community +what are their needs, etc. + + +Templating +----------- + +Sympa interface should be a little bit cleaned before being labeled as +production. Not that the interface is not good, but it offer various +things that would not make sense in our infrastructure, like "resetting +password" and "changing email", that would wreck our setup. So I think +that we should fully try to break sympa before sending it live, and then +remove unneeded part, and then add a basic theme. The templates will be +handled like bugzilla, I have contacted webteam this afternoon at the +meeting. + + + +Gmane and other subscriptions +------------------------------ + +I do not remind what did we decide for this ( I will dig later the +archives ). But a automated subscription to gmane and others service as +part as the ml creation would be good ( for the public one , +obviously ). But again, someone should work on this. + + + +So, I will likely deploy this tomorrow for testing, between the 2 I18N +meeting ( as I was asked to be there by Oliver Burger this afternoon, +and Marianne Lombard, but do not hesitate to be there too, if I do not +manage to wake up in time ). + +For testing, I suggest to create 2/3 mailling lists, let people post cat +pictures, etc, try to break the system, and note everything that should +be changed on the wiki. + +Any questions, remarks ( like "please, stop posting long emails" ) ? +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001073.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [165] changed layout of registering main page +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-sysadm] sympa testing deployment +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1074">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1074">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1074">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1074">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |