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Making the +</I>><i> > > release public; encouraging people to become part of the +</I>><i> > > community; starting discussions like the visual branding one; +</I>><i> > > participating in the forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss +</I>><i> > > and Devel - and as you say, listening, listening, listening. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Not to forget the practical tasks of a marketing dept. like +</I>><i> > preparing demos, and other things for events, creating marketing +</I>><i> > stuff (fan articles), etc. +</I>><i> > (you know I had to add that!) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 8-) There's always a parade somewhere needing to be rained on... +</I>><i> yes... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + +ok, i will answer to (the most) of your replies by a single e-mail.... + +@ romain (first) + +ok, i understand, but this way you're saying this is only a comunication team. +In a few words: + +* comunication->promote, comunicate about the project +* marketing-> attention to the users, rethinking of the project, long-term +vision about the project and the products, target-oriented. + +you're saying we will have a brainstorming session, that will bring a list of +ideas and we must advocate them (personally) to implement them. This is not +marketing, i'm not saying is wrong, but it's not marketing and this will +prevent the project to have a long-term vision and a group of dedicated people +that work on the whole project (see my proposals). + +i will try to advocate my proposals personally but i can do it only in my +spare time (that it's not much), a marketing-plan (updated often) supported by +the council since its long-term vision to the action plan would have a +stronger impact on the results... + +@ romain (second) + +><i>How is Skype going to address these? (proprietary technology, with +</I>><i>debatable quality and core trust issues, notwithstanding its future +</I>><i>now that it's been acquired) +</I> +this is one reason that explains why i would like a structured plan that will +guarantee the goals of the project... how can we see "For people" when a lot +of people use it and asks for it in the repos? what is the balance between +"for people"-"open source"? a plan is thought for these reasons, and the +action plan is needed to adapt the project to the long-term vision, if anyone +will act by himself (and mabye opposite to others) the project will remain +only another fork, whatever things you say.... + + +@ wobo + +there are things that are not motivated by technical reasons, but marketing +reasons... it's quite difficult to advocate to a developer one thing he s not +interested in... without considering that 10 marketing people should mean tons +of e-mails to the developers to convince them to implement their features... + +@ patricia + +><i>When we first started the marketing team with Yorick, it seemed like +</I>><i>we were trying to do the marketing plan ahead of the community +</I>><i>development - telling them how to be, in effect - and the community +</I>><i>(unsurprisingly) told Yorick (and by extension the rest of us) just +</I>><i>exactly how they felt about *that*. +</I> +and so why anyone told me the plan wasn't requested instead of letting me +working on it? + + +><i>Tasks, however - there are always lots of those. Making the release +</I>><i>public; encouraging people to become part of the community; starting +</I>><i>discussions like the visual branding one; participating in the +</I>><i>forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss and Devel - and as you +</I>><i>say, listening, listening, listening. +</I> +ok, but this is done by every linux project (even community-driven), why do +you think our is the best one? because we're working on it? the fact is that +we will remain only a one of the various fork, weaking the whole linux +community furthermore.... + + +My conclusions are: i'm really disappointed about the direction of marketing +team, i've decided to leave mandriva proper because i've found more interest +about it in mageia than in mandriva ( i remember many lacks in MUG and in +customer support, for istance), i will propose my ideas and i will try to +advocate them, but now it's clear to me that the great changes of mageia are +not other than words. in fact we're managed by a group of people (without +power?) and developers that could implement the lacking features in mandriva +instead of creating a new fork (has mandriva ever not allowed contributors to +implement their favourite features?) and spending all this huge energy (and +time). + + +cheers, +Marcello +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#419">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#419">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#419">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#419">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More information about the Mageia-marketing +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |