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Thornton</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-marketing%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-marketing%5D%20Mageia%20product%20naming/scoping&In-Reply-To=%3C4D96012A.1090805%40NorthTech.US%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping">Bradley at NorthTech.US + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Apr 1 18:45:30 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: RIPEMD160 + + +On 03/31/2011 02:04 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 02:03, Bradley D. Thornton <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On 03/30/2011 11:29 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:31, Romain d'Alverny +</I>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>>>><i> * Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yeah, that's not going to happen. the 32 bit will be 32 bit, while the +</I>>><i> 64 bit will be dual arch (below). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Very, very few Distros ship a pure 64 bit GNU/Linux, and Mageia isn't +</I>>><i> going to be one of them, FYI. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well there may be some misunderstanding here; that's two separate things: +</I>><i> * dual arch hosts both 32bit and 64bit installs, of which you decide +</I>><i> on install; +</I> +Yes I understand what you're saying there, although calling it dual +arch, in comparison to what other distros refer to when using that term, +I think may be a little confusing. + +But I understand what you are trying to convey with that moniker. + +><i> * 64bit DVD is a full install DVD for 64bit architectures - yes, +</I>><i> there are some 32bit dependencies still used, but there are fewer of +</I>><i> them; the intent/direciton is a pure 64bit thing - whatever time it +</I>><i> takes. +</I> +This is the point I was bringing up. A quick tour through git repo's and +it becomes quickly apparent the the 64 bit version is dual arch, with +the full complement of 32 bit libraries and compiler support for 32 bit +apps. + +And there's quite a bit more than a little. There's really no way to +accurately determine just how long it will have to remain that way, or +if the actual direction will end up completely eliminating 32 bit +enabled libs, gcc, etc. + +There's a huge amount of software out there that just won't do prime +time in 64 at this point in time. Right off the top of my head some of +those in the higher profile category currently include: + +Wine +Skype +Google Earth + +and hundreds of common utilities and tools barely maintained, some part +of Gnu, but most independant, like bing, for example, a little tool I +use in scripts for monitoring bandwidth, and a host of others. + +As we all move forward in time, yes, there will be very little need for +Mageia or any other distro to maintain dual arch support in the 64 bit +versions of their distros, but there's a lot of 32 bit enabled aspects +of the upcoming Mageia '64' that is going to be there for a long time. + +I run a pure 64bit OS on a few of my systems, on the servers it's not +that big a deal, SAMBA, APACHE, MySQL/MariaDB, NFS, DNS - these +definately aren't issues, and it is conceivable (If we were willing to +leave out a few items) that we could have a pure 64 bit server edition, +although it probably still wouldn't be prudent at this time, to garner +the widest acceptance. + +But anything along the line of a workstation platform would be severly +hurt by not providing support for 32 and 64 bit ready applications. + +I'm still running the beta version of 64 bit Flash plugin on my laptop +workstation, and although I haven't checked to see if the stable version +has actually been released yet, I do find the beta version sufficiently +stable - but it looks like most beta software in that respect isn't +going to be included w/Mageia 1. + +Eliminating support for 32bit architecture apps would mean no +Quickbooks, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, (maybe even Adobe Reader - I'm not +actually sure about that one because I use xpdf and okular). + +For those reasons, the decision isn't really up for a peopled decision, +and is indeed reflected in our repos. + +i.e., From an average consumers point of view, coming from say, MS +Windows, I think the perception would be that 32 bit would be 32 bit, +while 64 bit would support 32 bit as well - instead of choosing an +install that *either only* supports pure 32 bit or pure 64 bit +installations. + +It took us a long time to completely migrate away from 16 bit apps, and +there's still remnants here and there where you need that environment - +only for support of old DOS programs, but neverhteless, needed [by some] :) + +Bringing up the topic wasn't a suggestion on my part, it was just a +statement about how things really are laid out in Mageia. + +><i> +</I>><i> Ennael tells me we ought to re-explain what is expected in these +</I>><i> formats. But of course, after beta1, we will hold a survey to sort +</I>><i> through expectations of the final formats we will release in June. +</I> +Oh yes we've ample time to finalize what we're going to call each +packaged spin of our distro :) + + +- -- +Bradley D. Thornton +Manager Network Services +NorthTech Computer +TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US) +TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK) +<A HREF="http://NorthTech.EU">http://NorthTech.EU</A> + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Find this cert at x-<A HREF="hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net">hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net</A> + +iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJNlgEqAAoJEE1wgkIhr9j3mK0H/RyuzZNePkJa7zaTFbunc4bD +ZFmV75X6HkVl3iOloopDGh/QDc8SH2ccOqb++wyf/Mj8MXUFmo2lqh/xMD41zKw7 +lhei1O9bGsOLKsDPlIwtRHWii1aKixoUDzLqZjEXrUsXB67LkL4mLb9xXD/dvjdJ +WeG5rsXMLWYAaCLsLSjC9oPrkuAhFOeyn8igMKB1oC3DUlTz3Pip8bjaeNU4Y/B7 +rIxk6Vd18F6/w6ghLK+iq5M0UFyJ1HVzwK2Viv1RjkZUKL5lxmXwvTi+ILYHXqdv +dQS0zKkkhxbvPWfAoL3HhR53E/Q+xK/q4Y2ZMMi6v1IJFZjJZE1+Bjyhl7phA9w= +=QTz+ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More information about the Mageia-marketing +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |