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Bunun yanı sıra sizden mageia-i18n e-posta listesine de üye olmanızı istiyorum.<br> + +<br>Saygılarımla,<br clear="all"><i><font face="verdana,sans-serif"> Numan DEMİRDÖĞEN<br></font></i><br> +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Scherer</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span><br>Date: 2011/2/14<br> + +Subject: [Mageia-i18n] Mailling list<br>To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br><br><br>Hi,<br> +<br> +so first, sorry if we did make people wait for a long time about ml. We<br> +should have been slightly better organized on that.<br> +<br> +So basically, here is how the ml system work :<br> +<br> +We have setup a unified login ( as this was something asked by people in<br> +the mandriva days ), which in practice mean we have a web software for<br> +people to register on almost all services we have deployed ( be it<br> +bugzilla, sympa, transifex, etc ).<br> +<br> +The software is catdap, and is running on <a href="http://identity.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://identity.mageia.org/</a> .<br> +You may have already subscribed for others things ( and also translated<br> +it, even if I totally forgot that part and so have forgot to push some<br> +changes ).<br> +<br> +It is still quite rough ( in term of UI ), and we wanted to enhance it<br> +before saying to the world it is ready. But the lack of time ( or rather<br> +the sheer amount of work ) prevented us from doing so, and so the ml<br> +waited too long because of that. The software is working fine however,<br> +that's why i think people would prefer to have working ml and a<br> +imperfect web software than waiting without nothing.<br> +<br> +So the mls themselves are on<br> +<a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n</a> . The software is<br> +sympa 6.1, without much templating ( the webteam will likely welcome all<br> +help on that regard ).<br> +<br> +<br> +So let's take for example the fictional ml <a href="mailto:i18n-qya@ml.mageia.org">i18n-qya@ml.mageia.org</a>, which<br> +is dedicated in translating to quenya, and see how we can use it :<br> +<br> +<br> +How to receive mail from the ml<br> +--------------------------------<br> +<br> +You need to have a account on our ldap directory, and for that, you need<br> +to go on <a href="http://identity.mageia.org/register" target="_blank">http://identity.mageia.org/register</a> . Firefox will likely warn<br> +you about the certificate ( self signed ), we have planned to buy one<br> +soon, but for now, just say that "you understand the risk", etc etc.<br> +<br> +You can fill the form ( everything is mandatory so far, but I think we<br> +didn't really discussed much about this, so if you think this is too<br> +intrusive, do not hesitate to let us know ), register, and then wait for<br> +a email. ( of course, we will not sell your email or do anything with<br> +it, and we have taken lots of measures to protect the privacy of<br> +users ).<br> +<br> +Once you received the email, click on the link, and that's it, you<br> +should have a account on our system. That's the first part.<br> +<br> +The second part is to subscribe to the ml. For this, you need to go on<br> +<a href="https://ml.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/</a> Same message about ssl certs and firefox.<br> +<br> +Here, you can use either the mail you used to register, or the login in<br> +the corner top / right. Beware that changing email is not supported on<br> +sympa at the moment, so I recommend to not change it for now ( and there<br> +is no easy fix, so we will have to do something ugly ).<br> +<br> +Once logged, you can go on<br> +<a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</a> and click on<br> +"subscribe" on the left menu.<br> +<br> +And that's it, you should receive mail. Almost all ml are public, so you<br> +can read archives.<br> +<br> +<br> +How to post on the ml<br> +---------------------<br> +<br> +You have 2 choices. Technically, 3 in fact.<br> +<br> +The first one is just to send a email to the ml<br> +( <a href="mailto:i18n-qya@ml.mageia.org">i18n-qya@ml.mageia.org</a> ), as usual, with the email you used for<br> +subscribing. This should go fine, maybe not directly du to various smtp<br> +anti spam measure, but there is nothing special.<br> +<br> +The 2nd one is to use the web interface. In the menu, there is a entry<br> +"post" that can be used to send a email, on<br> +<a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</a><br> +<br> +<br> +The 3rd one is to send a email using a address that is not subscribed.<br> +The email will queued, and wait for a moderator to let it pass. That's<br> +were thing start to go bad. For now, the ml_moderation team is 0 person<br> +( ie, technically, there is just me because someone had to be inside to<br> +be used ). And while it is planned to recruit people ( there is a<br> +category on the wiki ), we didn't start the work on that.<br> +<br> +So while we will do something to enhance this situation ( ie, recruit<br> +and explain the work to do to moderators ), this will wait a little. If<br> +your email do not appear on the ml after a few days, please check with a<br> +admin.<br> +<br> +<br> +How to recover my password<br> +--------------------------<br> +<br> +So if you lost your password, there is 2 possibility. Either you have a<br> +simple account, and it is doable by the web ( currently only in the<br> +devel version of the web interface<br> +( <a href="http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/</a> )). Or you have a privileged<br> +account, ie svn access, etc, and then you have to ask to a admin ( on<br> +irc, or on the ml ) for security reasons. Of course, we will<br> +revise/enhance this policy if the need arise ( but for now, it was<br> +faster to protect the account ).<br> +<br> +If you can do it by the web, a new link to change the password will be<br> +sent by mail. In case of problem, do not hesitate to contact the admins.<br> +<br> +<br> +How to unsubscribe from a ml<br> +----------------------------<br> +<br> +So if one day you think there is too much mail and want to unsubscribe<br> +from a list, just connect on the web interface, and you will be able to<br> +unsubscribe from the left menu<br> +<br> +<br> +There is something weird and it don't look good<br> +-----------------------------------------------<br> +<br> +In case of problem, do not hesitate to ask sysadmin ( or call the<br> +ghostbusters ). If you think that you have access to settings that you<br> +should not have, maybe I screwed in the configuration. If you see the<br> +web interface of ml changed ( happened 2 times, didn't search the root<br> +cause ), try to get in touch with us so we can fix it for good ( or just<br> +do the rapid way of restarting apache/sympa ).<br> +<br> +<br> +Can the interface be translated to my language ?<br> +------------------------------------------------<br> +<br> +Yes, it can, for some value of "my language". For now, we just enabled<br> +en and fr, but if there is demand for others, we can see if this is<br> +translated or not. If this cannot be, you will have to see with<br> +<a href="http://sympa.org" target="_blank">sympa.org</a> upstream to push the translation there, and we will be able to<br> +get them once we upgrade to sympa ( ie, like 6 months to 1 year alter )<br> +This is potentially frustrating, we know.<br> +<br> +What about gmane/etc ?<br> +----------------------<br> +<br> +That's indeed a issue. I was hoping that no one will ask the question :)<br> +<br> +So far, we didn't found how to integrate this with our sympa/ldap setup.<br> +I do have some ideas ( ie, fiddling with authentication to let only<br> +gmane subscribe ) but this will some careful testing. I also considered<br> +running inn directly on our server, but some friend discouraged me from<br> +doing so for my own sanity :)<br> +<br> +While it doesn't replace much, people can read the ml using rss.<br> +<br> +Is there limitation in term of content, spam etc ?<br> +---------------------------------------------------<br> +<br> +Yes, there is likely a limit to the size of message, though I do not<br> +remind where it is set ( nor the limit ). Of course, if this is a<br> +problem, we can increase it ( once we find where it is set... ). We do<br> +also have a spam filter, and greylisting so your mail may be late ( and<br> +queued ). The smtp part still requires some love ( like deploying a 2nd<br> +MX, etc ), so while we have a working setup, it can be enhanced. Again,<br> +do not hesitate to contact sysadmin if you have questions.<br> +<br> +How do I ask for a ml ?<br> +-----------------------<br> +<br> +Ask to the team leader, aka Wobo, or his second, aka Oliver. He will<br> +forward it to sysadmin. He already has a list of ml to create that will<br> +try to be created shortly.<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br> +<br> +</font></div><br> |