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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-i18n/2011-February/000808.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-i18n/2011-February/000808.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b69f6d9e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-i18n/2011-February/000808.html @@ -0,0 +1,231 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-i18n] Mailling list + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-i18n%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-i18n%5D%20Mailling%20list&In-Reply-To=%3C1297706926.18332.75.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000803.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000809.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-i18n] Mailling list</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-i18n%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-i18n%5D%20Mailling%20list&In-Reply-To=%3C1297706926.18332.75.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-i18n] Mailling list">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Feb 14 19:08:46 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000803.html">[Mageia-i18n] Russian translation of the "Values" page +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000809.html">[Mageia-i18n] Mailling list +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#808">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#808">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#808">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#808">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +so first, sorry if we did make people wait for a long time about ml. We +should have been slightly better organized on that. + +So basically, here is how the ml system work : + +We have setup a unified login ( as this was something asked by people in +the mandriva days ), which in practice mean we have a web software for +people to register on almost all services we have deployed ( be it +bugzilla, sympa, transifex, etc ). + +The software is catdap, and is running on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A> . +You may have already subscribed for others things ( and also translated +it, even if I totally forgot that part and so have forgot to push some +changes ). + +It is still quite rough ( in term of UI ), and we wanted to enhance it +before saying to the world it is ready. But the lack of time ( or rather +the sheer amount of work ) prevented us from doing so, and so the ml +waited too long because of that. The software is working fine however, +that's why i think people would prefer to have working ml and a +imperfect web software than waiting without nothing. + +So the mls themselves are on +<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n</A> . The software is +sympa 6.1, without much templating ( the webteam will likely welcome all +help on that regard ). + + +So let's take for example the fictional ml <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">i18n-qya at ml.mageia.org</A>, which +is dedicated in translating to quenya, and see how we can use it : + + +How to receive mail from the ml +-------------------------------- + +You need to have a account on our ldap directory, and for that, you need +to go on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/register">http://identity.mageia.org/register</A> . Firefox will likely warn +you about the certificate ( self signed ), we have planned to buy one +soon, but for now, just say that "you understand the risk", etc etc. + +You can fill the form ( everything is mandatory so far, but I think we +didn't really discussed much about this, so if you think this is too +intrusive, do not hesitate to let us know ), register, and then wait for +a email. ( of course, we will not sell your email or do anything with +it, and we have taken lots of measures to protect the privacy of +users ). + +Once you received the email, click on the link, and that's it, you +should have a account on our system. That's the first part. + +The second part is to subscribe to the ml. For this, you need to go on +<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</A> Same message about ssl certs and firefox. + +Here, you can use either the mail you used to register, or the login in +the corner top / right. Beware that changing email is not supported on +sympa at the moment, so I recommend to not change it for now ( and there +is no easy fix, so we will have to do something ugly ). + +Once logged, you can go on +<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</A> and click on +"subscribe" on the left menu. + +And that's it, you should receive mail. Almost all ml are public, so you +can read archives. + + +How to post on the ml +--------------------- + +You have 2 choices. Technically, 3 in fact. + +The first one is just to send a email to the ml +( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">i18n-qya at ml.mageia.org</A> ), as usual, with the email you used for +subscribing. This should go fine, maybe not directly du to various smtp +anti spam measure, but there is nothing special. + +The 2nd one is to use the web interface. In the menu, there is a entry +"post" that can be used to send a email, on +<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</A> + + +The 3rd one is to send a email using a address that is not subscribed. +The email will queued, and wait for a moderator to let it pass. That's +were thing start to go bad. For now, the ml_moderation team is 0 person +( ie, technically, there is just me because someone had to be inside to +be used ). And while it is planned to recruit people ( there is a +category on the wiki ), we didn't start the work on that. + +So while we will do something to enhance this situation ( ie, recruit +and explain the work to do to moderators ), this will wait a little. If +your email do not appear on the ml after a few days, please check with a +admin. + + +How to recover my password +-------------------------- + +So if you lost your password, there is 2 possibility. Either you have a +simple account, and it is doable by the web ( currently only in the +devel version of the web interface +( <A HREF="http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/">http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/</A> )). Or you have a privileged +account, ie svn access, etc, and then you have to ask to a admin ( on +irc, or on the ml ) for security reasons. Of course, we will +revise/enhance this policy if the need arise ( but for now, it was +faster to protect the account ). + +If you can do it by the web, a new link to change the password will be +sent by mail. In case of problem, do not hesitate to contact the admins. + + +How to unsubscribe from a ml +---------------------------- + +So if one day you think there is too much mail and want to unsubscribe +from a list, just connect on the web interface, and you will be able to +unsubscribe from the left menu + + +There is something weird and it don't look good +----------------------------------------------- + +In case of problem, do not hesitate to ask sysadmin ( or call the +ghostbusters ). If you think that you have access to settings that you +should not have, maybe I screwed in the configuration. If you see the +web interface of ml changed ( happened 2 times, didn't search the root +cause ), try to get in touch with us so we can fix it for good ( or just +do the rapid way of restarting apache/sympa ). + + +Can the interface be translated to my language ? +------------------------------------------------ + +Yes, it can, for some value of "my language". For now, we just enabled +en and fr, but if there is demand for others, we can see if this is +translated or not. If this cannot be, you will have to see with +sympa.org upstream to push the translation there, and we will be able to +get them once we upgrade to sympa ( ie, like 6 months to 1 year alter ) +This is potentially frustrating, we know. + +What about gmane/etc ? +---------------------- + +That's indeed a issue. I was hoping that no one will ask the question :) + +So far, we didn't found how to integrate this with our sympa/ldap setup. +I do have some ideas ( ie, fiddling with authentication to let only +gmane subscribe ) but this will some careful testing. I also considered +running inn directly on our server, but some friend discouraged me from +doing so for my own sanity :) + +While it doesn't replace much, people can read the ml using rss. + +Is there limitation in term of content, spam etc ? +--------------------------------------------------- + +Yes, there is likely a limit to the size of message, though I do not +remind where it is set ( nor the limit ). Of course, if this is a +problem, we can increase it ( once we find where it is set... ). We do +also have a spam filter, and greylisting so your mail may be late ( and +queued ). The smtp part still requires some love ( like deploying a 2nd +MX, etc ), so while we have a working setup, it can be enhanced. Again, +do not hesitate to contact sysadmin if you have questions. + +How do I ask for a ml ? +----------------------- + +Ask to the team leader, aka Wobo, or his second, aka Oliver. He will +forward it to sysadmin. He already has a list of ml to create that will +try to be created shortly. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000803.html">[Mageia-i18n] Russian translation of the "Values" page +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000809.html">[Mageia-i18n] Mailling list +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#808">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#808">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#808">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#808">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">More information about the Mageia-i18n +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |