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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em dom 03 jun 2012, às 17:26:41, Marja van Waes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi everyone,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and 40</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; posts in the forum a day.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to maintain,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to write, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing those other</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left for some fun</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; part of life.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So your help is more than welcome.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681 if you want to help.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks a lot :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; marja</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Marja,<br /><br />I admire the hard work you (and Doktor5000, Wobo and many other) are doing, a real community support, with high technical quality.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Congratulations. I'm really impressed. You are answering hundreds of questions.<br /><br />I think that in this week's launch Mageia everything is very difficult, there are many questions and many new users.<br /><br />I agree that you need the help from other people, but maybe this is not enough.<br /><br />I think it's important to have help texts for beginners, in the wiki and forum.<br /><br />One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be used by common people, without much technical knowledge. <br /><br />I have no expertise. But I found a way to help editing &quot;help texts&quot; for beginners. <br /><br />I have edited help texts (in <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.mandriva-br.org%2Fmandriva%2Fdicas_para_iniciantes%2Findice"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MandrivaBrasil</span></a> and <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmageia-1"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MageiaBrasil</span></a>) mainly for 3 basic tasks:<br /><br />1 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Finstalar"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install Mageia</span></a> <br />2 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmidias"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the media</span></a> (software repository)<br />3 -<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fccm"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the software</span></a>.<br /><br />I edited these texts for the Forum and Wiki MandrivaBrasil and I copied them to the forum and Wiki MageiaBrasil.<br /><br />- Simple answers to simple questions. Example: How do I do this? Answer: Read the directions from the wiki (see link). These questions, I and many others can answer.<br /><br />- Answers complicated, only people with technical knowledge can answer (and that should not overloading with these tasks simpler, that one wiki can do).<br /><br />Currently I'm not getting much help and English is not my native language), but I can try.<br /><br />I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch of Mageia 3 next year.<br /><br />The Mageia becoming a very popular distro, so I hope that as soon as possible, Mageia have more people helping, and lots of help documentation to support, especially for novice users.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Macxi</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia Forum (en)</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891"><span style=" font-size:large; font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Re: Forum support: your help is needed!</span></a> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">by <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=300"><span style=" font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">macxi</span></a> » Jun 4th, '12, 02:56 </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em dom 03 jun 2012, às 17:26:41, Marja van Waes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi everyone,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and 40</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; posts in the forum a day.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to maintain,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to write, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing those other</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left for some fun</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; part of life.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So your help is more than welcome.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681 if you want to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks a lot :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; marja</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Marja,<br /><br />I admire the hard work you (and Doktor5000, Wobo and many other) are doing, a real community support, with high technical quality.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Congratulations. I'm really impressed. You are answering hundreds of questions.<br /><br />I think that in this week's launch Mageia everything is very difficult, there are many questions and many new users.<br /><br />I agree that you need the help from other people, but maybe this is not enough.<br /><br />I think it's important to have help texts for beginners, in the wiki and forum.<br /><br />One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be used by common people, without much technical knowledge. <br /><br />I have no expertise. But I found a way to help editing &quot;help texts&quot; for beginners. <br /><br />I have edited help texts (in <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.mandriva-br.org%2Fmandriva%2Fdicas_para_iniciantes%2Findice"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MandrivaBrasil</span></a> and <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmageia-1"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MageiaBrasil</span></a>) mainly for 3 basic tasks:<br /><br />1 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Finstalar"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install Mageia</span></a> <br />2 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmidias"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the media</span></a> (software repository)<br />3 -<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fccm"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the software</span></a>.<br /><br />I edited these texts for the Forum and Wiki MandrivaBrasil and I copied them to the forum and Wiki MageiaBrasil.<br /><br />- Simple answers to simple questions. Example: How do I do this? Answer: Read the directions from the wiki (see link). These questions, I and many others can answer.<br /><br />- Answers complicated, only people with technical knowledge can answer (and that should not overloading with these tasks simpler, that one wiki can do).<br /><br />Currently I'm not getting much help and English is not my native language), but I can try.<br /><br />I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch of Mageia 3 next year.<br /><br />The Mageia becoming a very popular distro, so I hope that as soon as possible, Mageia have more people helping, and lots of help documentation to support, especially for novice users.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Macxi</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia Forum (en)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891"><span style=" font-size:large; font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Re: Forum support: your help is needed!</span></a> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">by <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=300"><span style=" font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">macxi</span></a> » Jun 4th, '12, 02:56 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891</p>
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+<p>Fixed now by </p>
+<p># rm -rf /var/lib/__db* &amp;&amp; rpmdb --rebuilddb</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 3 juin 2012 11:50, &quot;Cazzaniga Sandro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got an error (always the same) when I try to use any rpm command<br>
+(urpm*, rpm*) on my mageia cauldron:<br>
+<br>
+erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 4583/3074074304 failed: Thread died in<br>
+Berkeley DB library<br>
+erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal<br>
+error, run database recovery<br>
+erreur: ne peut ouvrir l&#39;index Packages en utilisant db4 -  (-30974)<br>
+erreur: impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de données Package dans /var/lib/rpm<br>
+impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de donnée rpm<br>
+<br>
+It seems that rpmdb stay locked, but I&#39;m not an expert. Can someone help<br>
+me to fix it?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks guys!<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Fixed now by </p>
+<p># rm -rf /var/lib/__db* &amp;&amp; rpmdb --rebuilddb</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 3 juin 2012 11:50, &quot;Cazzaniga Sandro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got an error (always the same) when I try to use any rpm command<br>
+(urpm*, rpm*) on my mageia cauldron:<br>
+<br>
+erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 4583/3074074304 failed: Thread died in<br>
+Berkeley DB library<br>
+erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal<br>
+error, run database recovery<br>
+erreur: ne peut ouvrir l&#39;index Packages en utilisant db4 -  (-30974)<br>
+erreur: impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de données Package dans /var/lib/rpm<br>
+impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de donnée rpm<br>
+<br>
+It seems that rpmdb stay locked, but I&#39;m not an expert. Can someone help<br>
+me to fix it?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks guys!<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)?</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+Yes.</div><div>But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.</div><div>Icons we&#39;re going to work on separately. Probably using application-original icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.</div>
+<div>Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about the details a little better this time...</div><div>Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like we did with Mga2.</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">
+ </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)?</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+Yes.</div><div>But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.</div><div>Icons we&#39;re going to work on separately. Probably using application-original icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.</div>
+<div>Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about the details a little better this time...</div><div>Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like we did with Mga2.</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">
+ </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 03/06/2012 11:50:10 Max Quarterpleen έγÏαψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi everybody</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The thing is, we don't want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don't think that that counts).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention commitment.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Max</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html> \ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 03/06/2012 11:50:10 Max Quarterpleen έγÏαψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi everybody</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The thing is, we don't want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don't think that that counts).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention commitment.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Max</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html> \ No newline at end of file
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody<div>As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</div><div>This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</div>
+<div>The thing is, we don&#39;t want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</div><div>Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don&#39;t think that that counts).</div>
+<div>Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention commitment.</div><div>So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</div>
+<div>If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Max</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody<div>As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</div><div>This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</div>
+<div>The thing is, we don&#39;t want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</div><div>Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don&#39;t think that that counts).</div>
+<div>Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention commitment.</div><div>So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</div>
+<div>If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Max</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>That&#39;s a good point, and worth looking into. Do you have screenshots? If so, please file a bug report.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>here is the screenshot<br><br>]<a href="http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png">http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png</a><br><br>as you see installer still using ia-ora<br><br>so we need to fix this and make it use oxygen instead of ia-ora looks<br>
+</div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>That&#39;s a good point, and worth looking into. Do you have screenshots? If so, please file a bug report.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>here is the screenshot<br><br>]<a href="http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png">http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png</a><br><br>as you see installer still using ia-ora<br><br>so we need to fix this and make it use oxygen instead of ia-ora looks<br>
+</div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 03/06/2012 13:37, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/3 Max Quarterpleen&lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogusman222@<u></u>gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window<br>
+decorator, colors)?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Yes.<br>
+But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.<br>
+Icons we&#39;re going to work on separately. Probably using application-original<br>
+icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.<br>
+Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about<br>
+the details a little better this time...<br>
+Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like<br>
+we did with Mga2.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original<br>
+choices.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will<br>
+stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not<br>
+other modifications from upstream.<br>
+<br>
+Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+Yes, this again is something related with individual taste.<br>
+<br>
+Many other distributions try to change looks, even functions of the<br>
+original DE to have a unique desktop. But integrating the big 2 (KDE&amp;<br>
+Gnome) into the distribution&#39;s own look and keep it as original as<br>
+possible and then make it look good together - this is also a<br>
+separator from those other distributions. A nice example:<br>
+<br>
+At Berlin Linuxtag exhibition a visitor looked at Mageia 2 KDE (I did<br>
+a standard installation with nothing customized to my own preferences<br>
+yet). He played with it for a while, especially with the KDE<br>
+functions. Then he  told us that in his opinion this is the best<br>
+integration of KDE into a new distribution he has seen lately,<br>
+especially the combination of the KDE looks with out corporate colors.<br>
+The guy turned out to be the treasurer of the KDE project.<br>
+<br>
+This is what I meant - establishing a reputation of leaving the<br>
+original as original as possible.<br>
+This should at least taken into account: Do we really want our own theme?<br>
+<br>
+Of course there&#39;s nothing against our own theme as additionsl option.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is why I put it up for discussion. :)<br><br>Yes, we did integrate KDE very nicely with our distro and gave it a nice personal touch. But I&#39;m not really sure how much the treasurer would know about look and feel. He could be a software or graphics designer by day and treasurer by night, but he could also be a lawyer by day.<br>
+In any event, such a compliment from one of the KDE team does say a lot.<br>We&#39;ll think about this some more.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div class="h5"></div></div>
+Also I&#39;d like to add that creating a brand new theme is *really* a long and hard task. One of the strong point of Mageia is also having a common theme for environnement which allows to have both Qt and gtk apps well integrated. Such choice should be done also together with environments maintainers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is also why I put it up for discussion. HSo we can hear exactly what it is that we&#39;re up against.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 03/06/2012 13:37, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/3 Max Quarterpleen&lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogusman222@<u></u>gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window<br>
+decorator, colors)?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Yes.<br>
+But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.<br>
+Icons we&#39;re going to work on separately. Probably using application-original<br>
+icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.<br>
+Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about<br>
+the details a little better this time...<br>
+Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like<br>
+we did with Mga2.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original<br>
+choices.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will<br>
+stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not<br>
+other modifications from upstream.<br>
+<br>
+Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+Yes, this again is something related with individual taste.<br>
+<br>
+Many other distributions try to change looks, even functions of the<br>
+original DE to have a unique desktop. But integrating the big 2 (KDE&amp;<br>
+Gnome) into the distribution&#39;s own look and keep it as original as<br>
+possible and then make it look good together - this is also a<br>
+separator from those other distributions. A nice example:<br>
+<br>
+At Berlin Linuxtag exhibition a visitor looked at Mageia 2 KDE (I did<br>
+a standard installation with nothing customized to my own preferences<br>
+yet). He played with it for a while, especially with the KDE<br>
+functions. Then he  told us that in his opinion this is the best<br>
+integration of KDE into a new distribution he has seen lately,<br>
+especially the combination of the KDE looks with out corporate colors.<br>
+The guy turned out to be the treasurer of the KDE project.<br>
+<br>
+This is what I meant - establishing a reputation of leaving the<br>
+original as original as possible.<br>
+This should at least taken into account: Do we really want our own theme?<br>
+<br>
+Of course there&#39;s nothing against our own theme as additionsl option.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is why I put it up for discussion. :)<br><br>Yes, we did integrate KDE very nicely with our distro and gave it a nice personal touch. But I&#39;m not really sure how much the treasurer would know about look and feel. He could be a software or graphics designer by day and treasurer by night, but he could also be a lawyer by day.<br>
+In any event, such a compliment from one of the KDE team does say a lot.<br>We&#39;ll think about this some more.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div class="h5"></div></div>
+Also I&#39;d like to add that creating a brand new theme is *really* a long and hard task. One of the strong point of Mageia is also having a common theme for environnement which allows to have both Qt and gtk apps well integrated. Such choice should be done also together with environments maintainers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is also why I put it up for discussion. HSo we can hear exactly what it is that we&#39;re up against.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>