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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..049c50518 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<br> +If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time users with no problem. They were happy.<br> + +<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br>In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc's and find out how the network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install special software only needed for one single task)<br> +<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">Gary<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..049c50518 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<br> +If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time users with no problem. They were happy.<br> + +<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br>In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc's and find out how the network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install special software only needed for one single task)<br> +<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">Gary<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4acb978f8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +Yes, nice review but with flaws.<br> +<br> +In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why<br> +this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers.<br> +<br> +The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review.<br> +That's why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users<br> +write the Mandriva reviews.<br> +<br> +As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again<br> +and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of<br> +non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live<br> +media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the<br> +meantime.<br> +<br> ++1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a<br> +part of all this if we didn't.<br> +<font color="#888888">c</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear for us it may be not that clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. A great task for our marketing team :)</div> +<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888"> +--<br> +wobo<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4acb978f8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +Yes, nice review but with flaws.<br> +<br> +In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why<br> +this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers.<br> +<br> +The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review.<br> +That's why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users<br> +write the Mandriva reviews.<br> +<br> +As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again<br> +and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of<br> +non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live<br> +media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the<br> +meantime.<br> +<br> ++1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a<br> +part of all this if we didn't.<br> +<font color="#888888">c</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear for us it may be not that clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. A great task for our marketing team :)</div> +<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888"> +--<br> +wobo<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0ba438f8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +<p>I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does it lack this feature?</p> + +<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 11, 2011 10:16 AM, "Daniel Kreuter" <<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>>wrote:<br> +> <br>>><br>>> If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's<br>>> switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not<br>>> even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just<br> +>> want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I<br>>> don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a<br>>> lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200<br> +>> card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around<br>>> problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time<br>>> users with no problem. They were happy.<br> +>><br>> <br>> In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i<br>> install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have<br>> no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the<br> +> driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc's and find out how the<br>> network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be<br>> annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on<br> +> the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out<br>> the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install<br>> special software only needed for one single task)<br>> <br> +> <br>> <br>> <br>>> Gary<br>>><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>> <br>> Greetings<br>> <br>> Daniel Kreuter<br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0ba438f8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +<p>I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does it lack this feature?</p> + +<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 11, 2011 10:16 AM, "Daniel Kreuter" <<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>>wrote:<br> +> <br>>><br>>> If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's<br>>> switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not<br>>> even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just<br> +>> want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I<br>>> don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a<br>>> lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200<br> +>> card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around<br>>> problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time<br>>> users with no problem. They were happy.<br> +>><br>> <br>> In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i<br>> install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have<br>> no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the<br> +> driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc's and find out how the<br>> network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be<br>> annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on<br> +> the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out<br>> the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install<br>> special software only needed for one single task)<br>> <br> +> <br>> <br>> <br>>> Gary<br>>><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>> <br>> Greetings<br>> <br>> Daniel Kreuter<br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f0d4cfd43 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN82cjAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4z/kH/j3P+p0qdDLUqQHCmGQR+82L +NQTWaE6GVjrrZM0YUuqScY+3125omN7NypZKXN3OpoRs5qVyTNAJBDMt0883knb7 +ahdhf4f46XNXAO/lkrsqUGy9GlnhKfunJJJ6yAD4B+WwInXYVpy6G8v4IcjoKRjD +KglsysQgW7MIiuFFSWxix5zvVnNMck3Dt9JxbL49ZvWxrKcu7RGEK1VbZxzjmjTH +bd0e2QnmtLUk+Zk8BBxU1pDiN1IdwvsHSIMkBIuy+5fefAes66THREqcdLkE0YnO +loNLAxbT0jTSe4tp2K8dm+2gBeltut8nHZMdJP0oZ4K4RrjdfyF8U51CHvk51DE= +=QWf4 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f0d4cfd43 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN82cjAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4z/kH/j3P+p0qdDLUqQHCmGQR+82L +NQTWaE6GVjrrZM0YUuqScY+3125omN7NypZKXN3OpoRs5qVyTNAJBDMt0883knb7 +ahdhf4f46XNXAO/lkrsqUGy9GlnhKfunJJJ6yAD4B+WwInXYVpy6G8v4IcjoKRjD +KglsysQgW7MIiuFFSWxix5zvVnNMck3Dt9JxbL49ZvWxrKcu7RGEK1VbZxzjmjTH +bd0e2QnmtLUk+Zk8BBxU1pDiN1IdwvsHSIMkBIuy+5fefAes66THREqcdLkE0YnO +loNLAxbT0jTSe4tp2K8dm+2gBeltut8nHZMdJP0oZ4K4RrjdfyF8U51CHvk51DE= +=QWf4 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96407753b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<p>Sorry still getting used to this android email deal. But it was regarding the proprietary drivers remarks in the review.<br> +On Jun 11, 2011 11:31 AM, "Dick Gevers" <<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br> +><br> +> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re:<br> +> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!:<br> +><br> +> >I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I<br> +> >installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when<br> +> >I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver<br> +> >from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im<br> +> >kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video<br> +> >configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does<br> +> >it lack this feature?<br> +><br> +> Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost.<br> +><br> +> Thanks v.m. & good luck,<br> +> =Dick Gevers=<br> +</p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96407753b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<p>Sorry still getting used to this android email deal. But it was regarding the proprietary drivers remarks in the review.<br> +On Jun 11, 2011 11:31 AM, "Dick Gevers" <<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br> +><br> +> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re:<br> +> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!:<br> +><br> +> >I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I<br> +> >installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when<br> +> >I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver<br> +> >from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im<br> +> >kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video<br> +> >configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does<br> +> >it lack this feature?<br> +><br> +> Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost.<br> +><br> +> Thanks v.m. & good luck,<br> +> =Dick Gevers=<br> +</p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5ed0010da --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN85HyAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4wLgH/Anj6cguYbpsEb2oTbzbyqi3 +oHc1qWYgv+rZnLuK/D9vLCSktyOzAlHAGdAXK6FXNOY1/ae6NQH3rYENwOFVmfF5 +AYBK6+Rz2QgvSv/P7ComCiIgXtKM6Kpam2O++kSw3wpSXqtFPUqI26AtyTTlPoaq +0MA+/sTf4eN2dqoB8KiR48kJvYprN6/LrxjsP8hOSOVb8dMAkk6W8wPpZUkU74n0 +pP+W/c+wMi99XKAfshv9lGgtRl74jdFTO6G+Lm1lKwK8TYisbxqA0Ozht3EVP7xu +OYx9YUlrYW374MsaXX8NHoCfI7VYuKreWC71OMf9+L8aVyOYZl9O5K/VRTu0sao= +=l9cy +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5ed0010da --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN85HyAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4wLgH/Anj6cguYbpsEb2oTbzbyqi3 +oHc1qWYgv+rZnLuK/D9vLCSktyOzAlHAGdAXK6FXNOY1/ae6NQH3rYENwOFVmfF5 +AYBK6+Rz2QgvSv/P7ComCiIgXtKM6Kpam2O++kSw3wpSXqtFPUqI26AtyTTlPoaq +0MA+/sTf4eN2dqoB8KiR48kJvYprN6/LrxjsP8hOSOVb8dMAkk6W8wPpZUkU74n0 +pP+W/c+wMi99XKAfshv9lGgtRl74jdFTO6G+Lm1lKwK8TYisbxqA0Ozht3EVP7xu +OYx9YUlrYW374MsaXX8NHoCfI7VYuKreWC71OMf9+L8aVyOYZl9O5K/VRTu0sao= +=l9cy +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |